Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2
"Elwell, John" <john.elwell@siemens-enterprise.com> Thu, 17 June 2010 16:24 UTC
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From: "Elwell, John" <john.elwell@siemens-enterprise.com>
To: Cullen Jennings <fluffy@cisco.com>, DISPATCH list <dispatch@ietf.org>
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"The VIPR WG will address this problem by developing a peer to peer based approach to finding domains that claim to be responsible for a given phone number..." Does it necessarily have to be a peer-to-peer based approach? The ENUM/DNS approach is still a good approach for querying, but the issue is that with public ENUM the database simply doesn't get populated. So the key issue is finding a secure and attractive way of populating the database. Does the charter really need to include the words "peer to peer based", or should that be left as a matter for discussion at the solution stage? John > -----Original Message----- > From: dispatch-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:dispatch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Cullen Jennings > Sent: 15 June 2010 18:25 > To: DISPATCH list > Subject: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 > > > Thanks for all the comments on the list. Here is a revised version: > > (PS. If anyone else wants to edit, this is in SVN and glad to > get anyone write permission) > > ======================================== > > ViPR Charter Proposal (Version 2) > > WG Name: Verification Involving PSTN Reachability (VIPR) > > There are two globally deployed address spaces for communications that > more than a billion people use on a daily basis. They are > phone numbers > and DNS rooted address such as web servers and email addresses. The > inter-domain signaling design of SIP is primarily designed for email > style addresses yet a large percentage of SIP deployments mostly use > phone numbers for identifying users. The goal of this working group is > to enable inter-domains communications over the the internet, using > protocol such as SIP, while still allowing people to use phone numbers > to identify the person they wish to communicate with. > > The VIPR WG will address this problem by developing a peer to > peer based > approach to finding domains that claim to be responsible for a given > phone number and validation protocols to ensure a reasonable > likelihood > that a given domain actually is responsible for the phone number. In > this context, we use "responsible" to mean an administrative domain > would would be at least one of the administrative domains that a PSTN > call to this phone number would be routed to. Once the domain > responsible for the phone number is found, existing protocols such as > SIP and XMPP can be used for inter-domain communications. > > Some validation protocols may be based on knowledge gathered around a > SIP call, for example, the ability to prove a call was > received over the > PSTN based on start and stop times. Other validation schemes, such as > examining fingerprints or watermarking of PSTN media, to show that a > domain received a particular PSTN phone call may also be considered by > the working group. The WG will select and standardize at least one > validation scheme. > > To help mitigate SPAM issues when using SIP between domains, > the WG will > define a mechanisms to enable one domain to check that incoming SIP > messages from a different domain are coming from a domain that > successfully validated a phone number. The working group will > define new > SIP headers and option tags to enable this. > > The essential characteristic of ViPR is establishing authentication by > PSTN reachability when it is not possible to use a direct reference to > ENUM databases or other direct assertions of PSTN number > ownership. Elements such as public ENUM easily coexist with > VIPR but no > direct interaction with ENUM will be required. > > The problem statement and some possible starting points for solutions > are further discussed in the following internet drafts which > shall form > the bases of the WG documents: > > draft-rosenberg-dispatch-vipr-overview > draft-rosenberg-dispatch-vipr-reload-usage > draft-rosenberg-dispatch-vipr-pvp > draft-rosenberg-dispatch-vipr-sip-antispam > > The working group will carefully coordinate with the security > area, O&M > area, as well as the appropriate RAI WG including sipcore and p2psip. > > > > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch >
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 Cullen Jennings
- [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 Cullen Jennings
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 … Roni Even
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 … Peter Musgrave
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 Elwell, John
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 WORLEY, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 … Cullen Jennings
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 … Cullen Jennings
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 … Roni Even
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 … Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 … Milinski, Alexander (NSN - DE/Munich)
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 … Jonathan Rosenberg