Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 - PSTN?
Roni Even <Even.roni@huawei.com> Wed, 16 June 2010 06:25 UTC
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:22:52 +0300
From: Roni Even <Even.roni@huawei.com>
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Subject: Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 - PSTN?
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Hi, I read the charter and the listed drafts. I have no problem with the first two paragraph of the charter "There are two globally deployed address spaces for communications that more than a billion people use on a daily basis. They are phone numbers and DNS rooted address such as web servers and email addresses. The inter-domain signaling design of SIP is primarily designed for email style addresses yet a large percentage of SIP deployments mostly use phone numbers for identifying users. The goal of this working group is to enable inter-domains communications over the internet, using protocol such as SIP, while still allowing people to use phone numbers to identify the person they wish to communicate with. The VIPR WG will address this problem by developing a peer to peer based approach to finding domains that claim to be responsible for a given phone number and validation protocols to ensure a reasonable likelihood that a given domain actually is responsible for the phone number." I have a concern about using PSTN infrastructure for the reachability. My understanding so far was that SIP is trying to provide a new way for end to end communication that will replace the existing circuit switch infrastructure. This proposal says that the way to achieve end to end connectivity requires to have an end to end PSTN frastructure. The third paragraph is talking about validation using PSTN calls. I think that we can look at validation of number ownership but should say that requiring PSTN calls to do it is not the recommended approach. This will allow managing of PSTN numbers not in the scope of PSTN infrastructure. Even the PSTN network is using external protocol like SS7 to route calls using databases for achieving reachability so why not say we can use similar infrastructure that will be IP based. I can understand this as a temporary solution but not as a standard developed by the IETF. Thanks Roni Even
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 Cullen Jennings
- [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 Cullen Jennings
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 … Roni Even
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 … Peter Musgrave
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 Elwell, John
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 WORLEY, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 … Cullen Jennings
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 … Cullen Jennings
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 … Roni Even
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 … Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 … Milinski, Alexander (NSN - DE/Munich)
- Re: [dispatch] VIPR - proposed charter version 2 … Jonathan Rosenberg