[Diversity] The nature of the IETF

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Fri, 15 July 2016 09:22 UTC

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Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 02:20:20 -0700
To: Nalini Elkins <nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com>, diversity@ietf.org
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Subject: [Diversity] The nature of the IETF
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Hi Nalini,

I am following up on part of your message on this mailing 
list.  Although I could discuss about the topic on the IETF 
Discussion list I avoided doing that as it might generate a long thread.

At 13:18 14-07-2016, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote:
>I am going to say that IETF@IETF.ORG is a somewhat special 
>case.   Some of us in the U.S. (and I count myself among them!) feel 
>quite free to voice our opinions on all kinds of topics.   We take 
>our freedom of speech seriously!   I know I feel sometimes that I 
>should probably "cool it" and go write some code instead of spouting 
>off on the IETF@IETF.ORG list.  So, I suppose there may be some 
>cultural issues here.

There was a time where I would use the words "culture issues" as a 
description.  From what I read there are different national concepts 
about it.  In some parts of the IETF it is known that ietf@ietf.org 
subscribers take freedom of speech seriously.

I'll quote some text from an IESG discussion:

   "It is in the nature of the IETF to be intimidating to non engineers or to
    less qualified engineers.  Feeling intimidated because one is ignorant and
    where nobody is trying to do harm is something that is ok. Trying 
to intimidate
    is not ok, attempting to intimidate because someone is young, 
old, etc. is not
    ok, but that was already stated."

And from an IETF mailing list:

   "For Example, Native English speakers may think that they are best 
    but they are wrong, because people chosen the language to be used 
with no smart

Would it be better that you and I have a conversation or would it be 
better if I agree with your opinion?

S. Moonesamy