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Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposal to adopt ARC documents into the WG (toward phase 2 milestone)

Hector Santos <hsantos@isdg.net> Tue, 17 May 2016 05:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposal to adopt ARC documents into the WG (toward phase 2 milestone)
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On 5/11/2016 12:00 PM, Barry Leiba wrote:
> I'm pulling the arc-discuss list back off the distribution for this
> message (and it's probably a good idea to alert people when you add a
> new mailing list to an ongoing discussion).
>
> Kurt's original message asked whether the DMARC working group...
>
> 1. ...wants to work on the ARC spec, using
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-andersen-arc/ as a starting
> point, and
>
> 2. ...also wants to work on ARC usage recommendations, using
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jones-arc-usage/ as a starting
> point.
>
> It certainly seems that the working group is interested in discussing
> ARC, as I can judge from the discussion in the short time since Kurt's
> proposal.  So let's go back and get a proper answer:
>
> Does anyone object to having the DMARC working group take on this work?
> Does anyone object to using the two documents above as starting points
> for that work?
> Does anyone have an alternative proposal?
>
> Please respond to this list, <dmarc@ietf.org>, by 20 May.
>
> Barry, for the DMARC chairs

Barry, I believe the IETF should offer an simplified Policy Lookup 
alternative for 3rd party authorization.  It should be a "product 
option" for implementators of any size.

I think the ARC framework attempts to achieve the same end result at a 
very more complex, higher cost design approach. I don't opposed any 
further development, however, technical alternatives should be offered.

I could reintroduce a modified DSAP (DKIM Signature Authorization 
Protocol) proposal that would piggy back off the DMARC protocol.

I could consolidate ADSP/ATPS and wrap it over DMARC.

I think the IETF should offer simplified alternatives using the 
original proof of concept "Policy DNS lookup" models.  DMARC now 
replaced ADSP - a policy lookup solution.  It just needs to be further 
developed with 3rd party extensions.  That could include ARC as well.

Thanks

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HLS

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