Re: [dmarc-ietf] moving past pad=y?

Douglas Foster <dougfoster.emailstandards@gmail.com> Wed, 29 June 2022 17:17 UTC

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From: Douglas Foster <dougfoster.emailstandards@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 13:17:35 -0400
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] moving past pad=y?
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Based on our psl information, a private registry will be at DNS segment 3
or 4.  If the PSO registration is at DNS segment 2, the private registry
could be either one or two segments thick.

So the question is "How do I know which one applies?"   The best solution
is for the domain owner registrar to tell us, using a meaningful token like
orgd=y.

If course, we could tell evaluators to use our current best guess, which is
that private registries will always be one segment thick.   But that does
not seem like a standards-track approach to the authentication problem.



On Wed, Jun 29, 2022, 10:12 AM John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022, Alessandro Vesely wrote:
> > Would you please show an example, realistic or not, where not stopping
> for
> > psd=y in step 2 leads to a useful result?
>
> Keeping in mind that this is an arcane corner case that affects perhaps a
> few hundred of the 100,000 domains that are likely to publish DMARC
> records, and it doesn't matter in practice:
>
> A site for aficionados of various kinds of pets:
>
> _dmarc.petlovers.com p=reject psd=u
> _dmarc.cats.petlovers.com psd=y
> _dmarc.dogs.petlovers.com psd=y
>
> A message from management:
>
> From: felix@cats.petlovers.com
> DKIM-Signature: d=petlovers.com
> Subject: Dogs are bad
> etc.
>
> I'm not saying this is particularly likely, but it's no less likely than
> any other contrived psd=y scenario so I hope we can stop now and move on
> to something more important.
>
> Regards,
> John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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