Re: [DMM] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dmm-4283mnids-04: (with DISCUSS)

Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com> Sat, 11 February 2017 04:06 UTC

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From: Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com>
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Subject: Re: [DMM] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dmm-4283mnids-04: (with DISCUSS)
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HI Mirja,

> On Feb 10, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Mirja Kuehlewind <ietf@kuehlewind.net> wrote:
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> I would realy like to see the following changes in the security
> considerations section:
> OLD
> "If used in the MNID extension as defined in this
>   document, the packet including the MNID extension should be
> encrypted
>   so that personal information or trackable identifiers would not be
>   inadvertently disclosed to passive observers."
> NEW
> "If used in the MNID extension as defined in this
>   document, the packet including the MNID extension SHOULD be
> encrypted
>   so that personal information or trackable identifiers would not be
>   inadvertently disclosed to passive observers.”

Is this just for changing the "should" to upper case? I think that makes sense.

> Or even better make it a MUST? Is there a reason for only having a
> SHOULD?

Authors, any specific reason for this to be a SHOULD?

> 
> as well as the following change:
> OLD
> "Moreover, MNIDs containing sensitive identifiers might only be used
>   for signaling during initial network entry. "
> NEW
> "Moreover, MNIDs containing sensitive identifiers MUST only be used
>   for signaling during initial network entry and MUST NOT be leaked to
>   other networks.”

The statement in OLD: is just a statement of fact that in some networks use temporary identifiers for reattachment and they use long term (and hence sensitive) identifiers only at initial attach. I don’t think it makes sense to change this to 2119 language.

Thanks
Suresh