Re: [dns-privacy] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hzpa-dprive-xfr-over-tls-02.txt

Bob Harold <rharolde@umich.edu> Thu, 11 July 2019 15:06 UTC

Return-Path: <rharolde@umich.edu>
X-Original-To: dns-privacy@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dns-privacy@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F6B12010F for <dns-privacy@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 08:06:27 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.703
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.703 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, PDS_NO_HELO_DNS=1.295, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=umich.edu
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZM4YytScs_TB for <dns-privacy@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 08:06:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-lj1-x22d.google.com (mail-lj1-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F98912004E for <dns-privacy@ietf.org>; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 08:06:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-lj1-x22d.google.com with SMTP id r9so6149748ljg.5 for <dns-privacy@ietf.org>; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 08:06:23 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=umich.edu; s=google-2016-06-03; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=niBZbeaC1qUgBzEt5hHJnjObm9b/7A8WxhHjUO3iwLk=; b=fBIuPkRKX+seltP5TnZb4Ndjbm3nZncWDVtrQkMghegYu80hwOr/MDXEe/zIlGkK4e 9xftyory8uoJqzK/5BpBv+Gwb1W8Vg+O/UTM3FtIC3Li57P4aOqnJLL/f21xlphOH6l8 M9qO8fLgcMYk+krWV6M7yt0FzVTEeykjhJuF1wSZ/Jm1pouB7/qvDs1xyk69jYYmmJwt 1gD33MckjIG336kkmhmr4PwJU2xKPdmMqNa8MrbdsTXKcXo6vD/Sv4PQIfQxE6kwi9ka x56+dF0vAEg5u0pEIxU0te3KVglQ3zkFcrMs6Xe2pmPuBvg5F3Rf0W29Uiis0G+eox+e Gp9A==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=niBZbeaC1qUgBzEt5hHJnjObm9b/7A8WxhHjUO3iwLk=; b=P/vSSBQ8Up8ehSUDlU1OwYnPbd2N8ONOS6A4GUS/VoW0QGAM1oAe0I5nKSkxtoBPRv IrYhocqlguYom7MiutyEFtqwbIR6T5x4uQO13Fj7vPTKc3tsdt3tsZqNc/L10wvMRkKR opietucy7qM+Ait/O9/dccNeDRXCO6jTKGYZ3PLseN287wDnYvspZDwrQNSGZU2mnBRs WrcqXEWykLyBcAEVAMCwIjCv9OQi2APn7KvQ895fB5cGf/coG+fkWM6/TQyxdZNKe+z3 1ylaDp4ZaA9R23ZyaHUOjxce9DA5Nj4KuMAl8m55GGqCzTCyAevFM7ebMbxEd5R6aTep dX0A==
X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVV5Pl/QsL6Cdkf8RexEsk4obT+6kBtu5QnddBjnmz53jZdQeej tD2OlqwbVBk6gtaKa7qG2qkIZFWzHVGmNreZ3qumTSUwQcA=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyWPOtjXvkKFXZUfYtMoyhDRrLeaWClmsOGaMyqa9MGd2sE0BHEwS674O6ALiJbiuZJjzprFwGcRnDglgGXtBM=
X-Received: by 2002:a2e:5548:: with SMTP id j69mr2854425ljb.48.1562857581540; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 08:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <156260685662.1085.5040034814991813351.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <F5CEE63F-838C-4323-810A-30920E49E330@sinodun.com>
In-Reply-To: <F5CEE63F-838C-4323-810A-30920E49E330@sinodun.com>
From: Bob Harold <rharolde@umich.edu>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:06:09 -0400
Message-ID: <CA+nkc8C1X9=B1=1F7hgGG6X2VGENjM8Fwos=oc3JJQJFHytGaA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Sara Dickinson <sara@sinodun.com>
Cc: dns-privacy@ietf.org
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fb869e058d69229a"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dns-privacy/qSumhoCGB3i2fohPWayNphw5-bs>
Subject: Re: [dns-privacy] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hzpa-dprive-xfr-over-tls-02.txt
X-BeenThere: dns-privacy@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: <dns-privacy.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dns-privacy>, <mailto:dns-privacy-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dns-privacy/>
List-Post: <mailto:dns-privacy@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dns-privacy-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-privacy>, <mailto:dns-privacy-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 15:06:27 -0000

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:03 AM Sara Dickinson <sara@sinodun.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> An updated version of draft-hzpa-dprive-xfr-over-tls has been submitted
> which contains much more detail on data flows, authentication mechanisms
> and other issues than the previous version.
>
> Feedback and review welcomed.
>
> Best regards
>
> Sara.
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *internet-drafts@ietf.org
> *Subject: **New Version Notification for
> draft-hzpa-dprive-xfr-over-tls-02.txt*
> *Date: *8 July 2019 at 18:27:36 BST
> *To: *"Sara Dickinson" <sara@sinodun.com>, "Han Zhang" <
> hzhang@salesforce.com>, "Willem Toorop" <willem@nlnetlabs.nl>, "Allison
> Mankin" <allison.mankin@gmail.com>, "Pallavi Aras" <paras@salesforce.com>
>
>
> A new version of I-D, draft-hzpa-dprive-xfr-over-tls-02.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Sara Dickinson and posted to the
> IETF repository.
>
> Name: draft-hzpa-dprive-xfr-over-tls
> Revision: 02
> Title: DNS Zone Transfer-over-TLS
> Document date: 2019-07-08
> Group: Individual Submission
> Pages: 18
> URL:
> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hzpa-dprive-xfr-over-tls-02.txt
> Status:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hzpa-dprive-xfr-over-tls/
> Htmlized:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hzpa-dprive-xfr-over-tls-02
> Htmlized:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-hzpa-dprive-xfr-over-tls
> Diff:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-hzpa-dprive-xfr-over-tls-02
>
> Abstract:
>   DNS zone transfers are transmitted in clear text, which gives
>   attackers the opportunity to collect the content of a zone by
>   eavesdropping on network connections.  The DNS Transaction Signature
>   (TSIG) mechanism is specified to restrict direct zone transfer to
>   authorized clients only, but it does not add confidentiality.  This
>   document specifies use of DNS-over-TLS to prevent zone contents
>   collection via passive monitoring of zone transfers.
>
>
4.1. AXFR Mechanism

"zone is update to date"

"update to" -> "up to"

4.2.

"forth step" -> "fourth step" (in several places)

4.3. Data Leakage of NOTIFY and SOA Message Exchanges

"This section attempts to presents a rationale"

"presents" -> "present"


6.2. TLS

Not sure that these are the right words.  "surveillance" to me implies a
passive watching.  Which means:
"passive surveillance" - is redundant, and
"active surveillance" - is a contradiction in terms.
I assume that "active" means sending packets to try to confuse the server
or client, which I would call an "attack" and not "surveillance".
Or am I wrong?

-- 
Bob Harold