Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt
bert hubert <bert.hubert@netherlabs.nl> Mon, 13 August 2007 11:43 UTC
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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:06:43 +0200
From: bert hubert <bert.hubert@netherlabs.nl>
To: Shane Kerr <Shane_Kerr@isc.org>
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Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt
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On Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 12:20:32PM +0200, Shane Kerr wrote: > Regarding the "Countermeasures" section: > > Implementations SHOULD NOT use UDP source ports <1024 for sending > queries > > Why? I mean, firewalls often block these, but any special reason other than that? No, I think Peter Koch suggested it for this reason. No other special reason, we just wanted to include the things suggested over at IETF 68. > Implementations MUST use an as large as possible pool of UDP source > ports for sending queries > > Perhaps SHOULD? Because this basically means that implementations have to use > 1024 to 65535 doesn't it? This is basically a knob you can turn. If you turn it to '1 source port', you get the current situation as with BIND and Nominum CNS, Windows DNS etc. If you turn it to 64511 you get DJBDNS or PowerDNS, and the highest possible protection against spoofing. Paul has an implementation that has the knob set to 16. Our feelings are that the draft should strongly state that all available ports should be used, but we also understand not every OS and platform can meet this requirement. Hence 'as large as *possible*'. So you can get out of it if your platform does not support it. It is expected that this 'MUST' or 'SHOULD' will be something that needs further discussion here. Bert -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: <http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/>
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilien… Shane Kerr
- Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Edward Lewis
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilien… Paul Vixie
- Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilien… bert hubert
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilien… bert hubert
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilien… Robert Story
- Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section bert hubert
- Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Doug Barton
- Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Mark Andrews
- Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Michael Graff
- Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Edward Lewis
- Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Edward Lewis
- Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Paul Vixie
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilien… Paul Vixie
- Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Michael Graff
- Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Paul Vixie
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilien… Robert Story
- Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Edward Lewis
- Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Dean Anderson
- Re: some elaboration on the exact nature of the r… John Kristoff
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilien… bert hubert
- Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Andreas Gustafsson
- Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Andreas Gustafsson
- Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Edward Lewis
- some elaboration on the exact nature of the rando… bert hubert
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilien… Robert Story
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilien… Mark Andrews
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilien… Alex Bligh
- Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Edward Lewis
- Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Andreas Gustafsson
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilien… John Kristoff
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilien… Jelte Jansen