DNS vs. non-DNS Data (was Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-sig-00.txt))
Kevin Darcy <kcd@daimlerchrysler.com> Fri, 06 April 2001 21:25 UTC
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 16:13:27 -0400
From: Kevin Darcy <kcd@daimlerchrysler.com>
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Randy Bush wrote: > in general, we discourage storing non-dns data in the dns. What is the definition of "DNS data", actually? In a strict definition, even MX records and PTRs are "non-DNS data", i.e. they are not necessary to hold the DNS infrastructure together. By such a strict definition, all of DNSSEC is "non-DNS data". Does that mean it should be deprecated? Or, is "DNS data" to be defined loosely as "whatever one can legally store in the DNS"? In that case, the principle enunciated by Randy above is totally circular. A reasonable definition should lay somewhere between those two extremes. It should delineate *why* it is acceptable to e.g. store in DNS data about how an SMTP client should deliver a piece of email, whereas it is, _arguendo_, *not* acceptable to store in DNS data about how an IPSec client should encrypt and/or sign/verify packets. I wish someone would clarify this, so that whenever a new record type is shot down because it supposedly puts "non-DNS data" into the DNS, or a new use for an existing record type -- like storing IPSec keys in DNS -- is shot down for essentially the same reason, it doesn't look so much like a capricious exercise of power. - Kevin to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body.
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… Ted Lindgreen
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… Roy Arends
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… Miek Gieben
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… Edward Lewis
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… Edward Lewis
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… Edward Lewis
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… John Gilmore
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… Brian Wellington
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… Ted Lindgreen
- Re: DNS vs. non-DNS Data (was Re: Signature at pa… Kevin Darcy
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… Ted Lindgreen
- Re: DNS vs. non-DNS Data (was Re: Signature at pa… Eric A. Hall
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… Dan Massey
- DNS vs. non-DNS Data (was Re: Signature at parent… Kevin Darcy
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… Randy Bush
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… Ted Lindgreen
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… Peter Koch
- Re: DNS vs. non-DNS Data (was Re: Signature at pa… Eric A. Hall
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… Brian Wellington
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… Edward Lewis
- Re: Signature at parent (draft-ietf-dnsop-parent-… Edward Lewis