Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-19

Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> Wed, 14 December 2022 17:25 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-19
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On Dec 14, 2022, at 11:29, Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> wrote:
> 
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> We're off in the woods again.  Let's keep these two principles in mind:
> 
> The DNS resolution mechanisms are not expected to resolve, let alone secure names ending in .ALT.
> How other resolution mechanisms secure names is their affair.
I don’t think people disagree on this.


>> On 14.12.22 17:13, Paul Wouters wrote:
>> "bob.foo.alt" still squarely falls into "my" namespace
>> It is indeed not “yours”. 
> ... from the perspective of DNS.  Whether it is "yours" or "mine" from the perspective of GNS is a matter for GNS to resolve (for example).
> 
I was not talking from the perspective of IETF or DNS. The .alt is the Wild West. Even GNS cannot claim exclusivity of a chunk of it. It is competing with all the other unregulated namespaces.

Martin said he cannot help other alternative namespaces using the same alternative namespace as he is using. I merely confirmed that and recommend that if he is looking for exclusivity, he has to leave the Wild West behind and go to a regulated space and play within the rules set out there to get his exclusive namespace.

Paul



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