Re: [DNSOP] draft-hsyu-message-fragments replacement status updated by Cindy Morgan

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

There was https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-carpenter-whats-an-author-02

My hope is to revive that draft as an RFC Editor policy issue once the RSWG is established, because it's broader than just an IETF issue.

Regards
    Brian Carpenter

On 29-Apr-22 06:16, Donald Eastlake wrote:
> What you describe is completely improper but I'm not sure it's exactly accurate. When you said you were "removed" as an author, I assumed that a 
new revision of a draft was posted where you were a first page author for 
version N but not listed as an author for version N+1. That would also be 
improper if there was no effort to consult with you.
> 
> But what seems to have happened is that a new draft was created with you omitted from the author list and (given the reference to Cindy Morgan in the Subject line), the Secretariat was asked to record this new draft as replacing the previous draft where you were an author (indeed, the first listed author). I think this sort of thing is extremely rare. You could certainly ask the Secretariat to reverse the database update so your draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-muks-dnsop-message-fragments/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-muks-dnsop-message-fragments/>) is no longer shown as being replaced by any other draft.
> 
> Thanks,
> Donald
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> 
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 1:10 PM Mukund Sivaraman <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> 
>     On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 09:33:08AM -0700, DraftTracker Mail System wrote:
>      >
>      > Please DO NOT reply to this email.
>      >
>      > I-D: <draft-hsyu-message-fragments-00.txt>
>      > Datatracker URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hsyu-message-fragments/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hsyu-message-fragments/>
>      >
>      > This document now replaces draft-muks-dnsop-message-fragments
>      >     draft-hsyu-dnsop-message-fragments instead of 
draft-hsyu-dnsop-message-fragments
> 
>     This is the second time in recent years that, in a DNS draft I'd
>     primarily authored, I've noticed my name was removed from the list of
>     authors with no prior consultation with the document mostly the same.
> 
>     I understand that we assign co-copyright to the IETF when publishing
>     drafts, but it feels unreasonable that after effort is put in writing a
>     draft, the authorship is completely deleted. In the previous case, I was
>     moved to "Acknowledgements" without consultation, and in this case my
>     name has been deleted fully.
> 
>     New author(s) who want to take over could instead:
> 
>     * Ask to be co-author(s).
> 
>     * Say that they'd leave the original author(s) as-is, but that they
>        would like to have control over the draft's future, and if the old
>        author(s) don't like it, they may ask to be deleted.
> 
>     * If content were significantly modified, they could say "This draft is
>        significantly different from your old draft, and so we'd like to claim
>        full ownership, is that OK?".
> 
>     Instead, what happened with both drafts is akin to taking a book that's
>     mostly written by one author, contributing a few sentences, and deleting
>     the previous authors' names and calling it your own.
> 
>                      Mukund
>