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Re: [DNSOP] KSK-Sentinel -- "Walkin' on the SUN"?

Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> Tue, 15 May 2018 09:53 UTC

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From: Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] KSK-Sentinel -- "Walkin' on the SUN"?
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Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
>
> The authors are in disagreement - RFC6761 talks about "Special-Use Domain
> *Names*", not "Special-Use Domain *Labels*", but Stuart has said that it
> wasn't intended to be only for TLDs / pseudo-TLDs / things starting at the
> top of the tree.

Hmm. I think that if RFC 6761 were supposed to cover arbitrary labels then
it ought to have said something about localhost as a subdomain.

> So, please, *clearly* state if you think that this:
> A: is a SUN
> B: is not a SUN

KSK-sentinel feels like a new kind of thing, but I guess it has a lot in
common with let-localhost-be-localhost. So I think our answer should be
the same for both of them.

My initial reaction was (B), but after I compared with localhost I think
(A) is probably the right answer.

Tony.
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