Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] root crud, Possible alt-tld last call?
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] root crud, Possible alt-tld last call?
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2022, Brian Dickson wrote: >> I'm with you. Considering the vast amount of junk traffic that the roots >> get now, it's hard to imagine that .alt would add enough to care about. >> >> I also agree that aggressive negative result caching and local roots >> already exist, and are as good as anything else we're going to come up >> with. In one case, the root gets a .alt query and returns NXDOMAIN >> which the client caches, in another it returns DNAME which the client >> caches, and in the third the root sees nothing at all. >> > Slight nit: > In the NXDOMAIN case, the resolver and client both cache the result, but > only for a period of "negative TTL" from the root zone's SOA (likely > measured in minutes or hours, but not days) It's easy to check and see that it's 24 hours. Considering the flood of crud that the roots already deal with, I'd think that limiting the .alt crud to one per day per customer would be more than adequate. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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