Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7686 (6761)

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Wed, 01 December 2021 21:07 UTC

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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 16:06:45 -0500
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7686 (6761)
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On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 8:10 PM Paul Vixie <paul=
40redbarn.org@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> i only use REFUSED if the same question from some other query source (by
> IP) or signed differently (with TSIG or SIG(0)) could possibly work. for
> out-of-authority requests, the server must fail to answer.


I have to confess that that really doesn't make sense to me. If you don't
return an answer, aren't you going to get hammered with retransmissions?