Re: [DNSOP] unrelated name server name recommendation
Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com> Tue, 05 March 2024 02:42 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] unrelated name server name recommendation
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On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 11:34 PM Kazunori Fujiwara <fujiwara@jprs.co.jp> wrote: > dnsop WG, > > "unrelated" (or, previosly called as out-of-bailiwick) name server names > are > necessary for DNS hosting providers. > Fujiwara-san, I have to nitpick your very first statement above. Many DNS providers do offer the ability to pick "vanity" or "custom" nameserver names, which their customers can use to deploy in-domain nameservers. This could be because the customer really does want to make DNS resolution efficient. But it could be for other reasons (branding, or some other perceived security reason). My employer uses such features extensively. This is not simply the customer pointing their own names at the provider's DNS server addresses. This is a contract with the provider that they will maintain that association and won't change the IP addresses from under them (the "going stale" problem) without advance notice and coordination. I think I agree with your general goal, but as others have remarked, there is no way to enforce this, so at best this could be a recommendation. Shumon.
- [DNSOP] unrelated name server name recommendation Kazunori Fujiwara
- Re: [DNSOP] unrelated name server name recommenda… Ben Schwartz
- Re: [DNSOP] unrelated name server name recommenda… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] unrelated name server name recommenda… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] unrelated name server name recommenda… Peter Thomassen
- Re: [DNSOP] unrelated name server name recommenda… Wessels, Duane
- Re: [DNSOP] unrelated name server name recommenda… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] unrelated name server name recommenda… Shumon Huque
- Re: [DNSOP] unrelated name server name recommenda… Kazunori Fujiwara
- Re: [DNSOP] unrelated name server name recommenda… Paul Vixie