Re: [DNSOP] Martin Duke's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Kazunori Fujiwara <fujiwara@jprs.co.jp> Fri, 01 March 2024 05:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Martin Duke's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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I made a mistake in my previous mail.

> From: Kazunori Fujiwara <fujiwara@jprs.co.jp>
> Sorry for too late reply.
> Authors submitted -17 today.
> 
>> From: Martin Duke via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org>
>> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2024 11:44:09 -0800
> 
>> Martin Duke has entered the following ballot position for
>> draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation-16: Discuss
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>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> DISCUSS:
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>> 
>> 1) I'm unclear about Sec 4, R11 and Appendix B. When configured for minimal
>> response, are responses to ALL requesters reduced in size, or only to those
>> requesters that indicate a small MTU?
>> 
>> As DNS becomes a more important vehicle for various discovery protocols (e.g.
>> ECH), I would hate for responders to globally invoke a policy that makes it
>> hard to deploy those protocols. But I'm happy to discuss this.
> 
> When there is a data corresponding to the query,
> each DNS response contains one RRSet that matches query (qname, qtype, qcalss)
> in the authority section. (Section 4.3.2 of RFC 1034).
         ^^^^^^^^^
	 answer

> If a domainname have multiple HTTPS/SVC RRs (that have complex ECH),
> it is an RRSet.
> 
> Many 'minimal-responses' implementations simply omit unnecessary RRs,
> and the RRSet corresponding to the query responds as is.
> 
> Some query types requires additional data in the additional section.
> It is written in third paragraph of Appendix B.
> 
>   For example,
>   MX RR requests mail exchange's A/AAAA into the additional section.


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Kazunori Fujiwara, JPRS <fujiwara@jprs.co.jp>