Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption draft-hunt-dnsop-aname

Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> Thu, 11 May 2017 21:28 UTC

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From: Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption draft-hunt-dnsop-aname
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On Thu, 11 May 2017, tjw ietf wrote:

> This starts a Call for Adoption for: draft-hunt-dnsop-aname
> 
> The draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hunt-dnsop-aname/
> 
> Please review this draft to see if you think it is suitable for adoption by DNSOP, and comments to the list,
> clearly stating your view.

I am against adopting this document. It proposes to create a new RRTPYE
that has specialised processing and bundles two problem solutions into
one niche solution that has offline DNSSEC signing issues.

I think it is better to solve the problem in two dinstict parts:

1) Create an ANAME record that instructs where an AUTH server can get updated data
    regarding its A/AAAA records. This can be signed without any problem.

2) Create an EDNS0 option allowing arbitrary query types to be bundled.
    This will allow asking for A+AAAA+ANAME, resulting in getting the
    latest known records plus a reference where to get updates in one query.

There were already drafts out there that address 2)

Also, solving 2) allows bund;ing to be used for other record types as
well (that don't use _prefixes).

Paul