Re: [DNSOP] Glue is not optional, but sometimes it *is* sufficient...
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Thu, 21 May 2020 21:41 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Glue is not optional, but sometimes it *is* sufficient...
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In article <CAHw9_i+UsV9NkuPM4KYBZhO7_J78MkUEyVR3fr=vOX-vsjJeUA@mail.gmail.com> you write: >What if you *only* have glue, and no authoritative answer / server? >Can I register example.com, put in www.example.com A 192.0.2.1 as >glue, and not bother with this whole annoying authoritative server >thing? Based on my recent analysis of TLD zones, yes if the zone is managed by Afilias, or if you have friends at Nominet. Otherwise not so much. For wow4dns.com it looks pretty normal other than that your NS is lame. Here's what's in this morning's .COM zone file, but I assume you've updated the NS since then: WOW4DNS NS NS1.AUTH-SERVERS.NET. WOW4DNS NS NS2.AUTH-SERVERS.NET. Your registrar record and the live .COM NS say: $ dig @g.gtld-servers.net. wow4dns.com a ; (2 servers found) ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 45456 ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 3 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;wow4dns.com. IN A ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: wow4dns.com. 172800 IN NS www.wow4dns.com. wow4dns.com. 172800 IN NS www1.wow4dns.com. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: www.wow4dns.com. 172800 IN A 193.151.173.35 www1.wow4dns.com. 172800 IN A 193.151.173.35 R's, John
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