Re: [DNSOP] draft-lewis-domain-names-00.txt

George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> Fri, 18 September 2015 13:16 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-lewis-domain-names-00.txt
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My private comment bears repeating in public.

DOMAIN names is about the property of domains. Domains are encompassing,
set-theory/venn-diagram style. A domain and a prefix are analogous
concepts. One is expressed syntactically somehow, the other is a
mathematical property of bounding in a number field but they have the same
basic behaviour.

the UK domain order in coloured book mails obeyed this property: it just
used reverse semantics to the ARPA model.

XXXXXXXX.onion is *not* a domain name inside the .onion part: as I
understand it, the value is a hash, or other function which has no nesting
properties expressed syntactically.

This quality of domain names, the concepts of domains, is a distinct
property which bears thinking about.

HOST.TXT was not a domain system, it was a linear map. Honey Danber had
some qualities of domain-ness. Usenet groups after the great mod.*
 reordering became more domain like.



On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Edward Lewis <edward.lewis@icann.org>
wrote:

> Don't know if this will be posted to DNSOP some other way.
>
> (I've gotten one private comment, so it's been announced somewhere,
> someway.)
>
> On 9/17/15, 13:50, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
> wrote:
>
> >Name:          draft-lewis-domain-names
> >Revision:      00
> >Title:         Domain Names
> >Document date: 2015-09-17
> >Group:         Individual Submission
> >Pages:         13
> >URL:
> >https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lewis-domain-names-00.txt
> >Status:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lewis-domain-names/
> >Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lewis-domain-names-00
> >
> >
> >Abstract:
> >This document states a definition of Domain Name beyond the use of
> >the term within the Domain Name System.  The document includes a
> >survey of the diverse ways Domain Names have been interpreted within
> >various protocols over time.  The purpose of this is to give a solid
> >foundation for work on Domain Names across all protocols making use
> >of Domain Names.
>
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