[DNSOP] Root DS/DELEG query

Petr Špaček <pspacek@isc.org> Tue, 22 July 2025 16:11 UTC

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Subject: [DNSOP] Root DS/DELEG query
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Hi all.

I wonder how to interpret '. DS'/'. DELEG' queries and welcome opinions!

First problem:
I did not find algorithm update for RFC 1034 5.3.3. Algorithm which 
would clearly show that QTYPE=DS is special.

Secondly it's unclear if RFC 4035 4.3. Determining Security Status of 
Data somehow should applies to DS responses from root. I guess it 
should, but how?


With strict interpretation of 'DS lives at parent' I would argue '. DS' 
should result in SERVFAIL: No parent for . can be contacted.

If that does not fly and we don't like SERVFAIL, . DS answer should 
probably get AD=0 in answer as security status would be Indeterminate - 
no way to validate and no trust anchor for parent-of-root?

Needless to say implementations vary in their responses.


I don't think this is operationally relevant, but it is sorta related to 
DELEG protocol design which has the same property as DS - it is 
authoritative at the parent side.

If there are undefined corner cases for DS we might as well not repeat 
the same mistakes for DELEG (or we can even fix it in one go ...).

Thank you for your time.

-- 
Petr Špaček