Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error

Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> Thu, 24 October 2019 17:57 UTC

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 13:56:39 -0400
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error
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On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 6:49 AM Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> wrote:
>
> Petr Špaček <petr.spacek@nic.cz> wrote:
> >
> > 2. Second problem is that it is uncelar if there is going to be a
> > consumer: Did *anyone* from stub resolvers said a word about this draft?
> > Is it useful as it is?
>
> I expect almost no-one can do anything with EDE without
> getaddrinfo() EAI_ return code extensions.
>

I would personally find this to useful if only dig (or drill or delve
or...) supported this -- it's currently hard to actually debug weird
DNS failures, and simply providing information to a human using
diagnostic tools would be helpful.
This and the "DNSSEC bogus -> ask another resolver" are to my mind the
primary uses...
W

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idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
of pants.
   ---maf