Re: [DNSOP] Special-use TLDs in resolvers

Erik Kline <ek@loon.com> Fri, 16 August 2019 18:28 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Special-use TLDs in resolvers
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https://www.iana.org/assignments/special-use-domain-names/special-use-domain-names.xhtml#special-use-domain

<random>
I have wondered whether or not it would be useful for IANA to have a git
repo where these canonical data could live alongside scripts that transform
them into things like C #include header files and zone file formats and so
on.
</random>

On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 at 08:00, Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com> wrote:

> At the risk of revealing that I haven't been following this thread
> carefully, I don't understand how a resolver is supposed to know all of the
> special names.  Resolvers that are configured to know that invalid,
> local, onion, and test are special will not know about the next name
> that's put on the special list.
>
> I guess the larger picture is that onion is a protocol switch, so it's not
> sufficient for a resolver to know that it shouldn't look up strings ending
> in onion in the global DNS; it must also know what it should do.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 10:47 AM Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>
> wrote:
>
>> As I often note, I work for ISOC but I'm not speaking for it.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 11:30:06AM +0200, Vladimír Čunát wrote:
>>
>> > I've been wondering what's best to do around these TLDs: invalid, local,
>> > onion, test.  The RFCs say that resolvers SHOULD recognize them as
>> > special and answer NXDOMAIN without any interaction with nameservers (by
>> > default).  What do you think about NOT following this "advice", subject
>> > to some conditions that I explain below?
>>
>> I think it's less than ideal, because the point of resolvers immediately
>> answering NXDOMAIN is that these are not and never will be names in
>> the global DNS.  That is, they really are special-use, and part of
>> that specialness is that they're part of the domain name space but not
>> part of the global DNS name space.
>>
>> This is particularly true of onion, which is a protocol switch.  It's
>> intended to signal that you should _never_ look up that name in the
>> DNS.  That's its whole function.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> A
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Sullivan
>> ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
>>
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