Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: RFC8499-bis

fujiwara@jprs.co.jp Wed, 11 November 2020 04:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: RFC8499-bis
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> From: Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at>
> I recently noticed that the bailiwick-related definitions are wrong and
> muddled.
> 
> I have always understood in-bailiwick to mean that a nameserver name is a
> subdomain of its zone apex. That is, exactly the cases where glue is
> required by the DNS protocol. The term comes from the discussion of
> gluelessness at http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/notes.html - "RFC 1034 specifically
> requires glue for referrals to in-bailiwick DNS servers."
> 
> RFC 8499 seems to use "in-domain" for this situation

Yes.

Before RFC 8499, "in-bailiwick" had two meanings. 
    in-bailiwick to mean that a nameserver name is a subdomain of its zone apex.
 and 
    "in-domain" http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/notes.html

>, which is not a term
> I have seen anywhere else.

  Yes.
  I borrowed the words "in-domain" and "sibling" from
  draft-koch-dns-glue-clarifications.
  (submitted in 2010, draft only)

  There are no "in-bailiwick" and "out-of-bailiwick" definitions
  before RFC 7719.

  We need four types of glue names.
  In RFC 8499, "out-of-bailiwick", "in-bailiwick", "in-domain", "sibling".

  Please propose new names.

# And I missed a term related to domain name: Occluded Name [(RFC6936].

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Kazunori Fujiwara, JPRS <fujiwara@jprs.co.jp>