Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-no-response-issue-03

Edward Lewis <edward.lewis@icann.org> Fri, 26 August 2016 11:23 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-no-response-issue-03
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On 8/25/16, 17:56, "DNSOP on behalf of Mark Andrews" <dnsop-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of marka@isc.org> wrote:

    >    If you don't want to implement a EDNS than don't implement it.  If
    you don't want to use a EDNS option with some client then just
    ignore the option.  Similarly for EDNS flags.  The client is expecting
    that unsupported options and flags will be ignored not used to
    decide to drop a query.

If this is your intended message, stick to that in the draft.  I.e., don't go beyond the message by requiring responses to queries, reinforce how to respond if the server isn't implementing EDNS0.  Don't direct operators to perform maintenance checks, that has little to do with properly implementing the EDNS mechanism, stick with making sure implementers know what to code up.  Maybe this is "clarifications on EDNS response behavior" and not "no response issue".