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Re: [Dots] draft-fu-dots-ipfix-extension revised into draft-fu-dots-ipfix-tcp-tracking

Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@arbor.net> Tue, 14 March 2017 13:41 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Dots] draft-fu-dots-ipfix-extension revised into draft-fu-dots-ipfix-tcp-tracking
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On 14 Mar 2017, at 11:34, Zhenghui (Marvin) wrote:

> Basically, we'd like to hear from the WG, about their opinions on this 
> draft, so we can figure out what to do next.

1.  The draft itself is predicted upon invalid assumptions about the 
capabilities inherent in IPFIX as it stands today.

2.  The draft itself is predicated upon invalid assumptions about the 
capabilities inherent in IPFIX collectors/analyzers today.

3.  The draft itself is predicated upon invalid assumptions about the 
capabilities inherent in IPFIX exporters today and anticipated in the 
foreseeable future.

4.  The draft itself is predicated upon invalid assumptions about the 
division of labor between IPFIX exporters and IPFIX 
collectors/analyzers.

5.  The best forum for this discussion is within the Operations and 
Management Area of the IETF.

6.  The way to initiate a discussion about re-opening the IPFIX WG is to 
engage the IETF Area Director for Operations and Management.

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Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@arbor.net>

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