Re: [Ecrit] RFC 5031bis - Service URNs
Ted Hardie <hardie@qualcomm.com> Wed, 03 December 2008 17:56 UTC
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:56:27 -0800
To: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <drage@alcatel-lucent.com>, "Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)" <hannes.tschofenig@nsn.com>, ext Richard Barnes <rbarnes@bbn.com>
From: Ted Hardie <hardie@qualcomm.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ecrit] RFC 5031bis - Service URNs
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At 6:43 AM -0800 12/3/08, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote: >Well I must admit I looked quickly and read something different and >wrongly. > >If I was starting from scratch, I think I would write "standards track" >for the subservices of sos, but I cannot point to any problems with the >existing strategy, so on that basis there is no need to change it. > >The main point I was making anyway is that we must not have a lower >level for "sos" and that we do need clear guidance to stop people >registering urns where there are more appropriate places to put >information other than a URI. > >Keith I'm not sure what "lower level for 'sos'" means, exactly, but I believe using "specification required" for top-level and expert review for those under sos is reasonable. The Designated Expert for "specification required" may or may not be the same as for "sos". Ted > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) >> [mailto:hannes.tschofenig@nsn.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:36 PM >> To: ext Richard Barnes; DRAGE, Keith (Keith) >> Cc: ECRIT >> Subject: RE: [Ecrit] RFC 5031bis - Service URNs >> >> This is not what RFC 5031 says. >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: ext Richard Barnes [mailto:rbarnes@bbn.com] >> >Sent: 03 December, 2008 15:48 >> >To: DRAGE, Keith (Keith) >> >Cc: Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo); ECRIT >> >Subject: Re: [Ecrit] RFC 5031bis - Service URNs >> > >> >Keith, >> > >> >So to be clear, under your proposal, I would need IETF review to >> >register "urn:service:sos.foo", but perhaps less review to register >> >"urn:service:foo"? >> > >> >If that's right, this plan makes sense to me. IETF gets to >> manage the >> >"urn:service:sos" heirarchy, but others could go through with less >> >review. Definitely agree that more guidance is necessary on >> what OK to >> >go under "urn:service:". >> > >> >--Richard >> > >> > >> > >> >DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote: >> >> Does this apply only for top level? >> >> >> >> What I believe we should retain is that any sub-service >> >under the "sos" >> >> top-level should be standards track. I believe that we need IETF >> >> review of those to ensure that they really should be classed as an >> >> emergency situation and not something else. >> >> >> >> If we relax the rules for new top-level identifiers, I >> believe we do >> >> need to provide more guidance on what is a valid service >> urn value, >> >> and what is not (and therefore should use some other >> >construct in SIP >> >> or other protocol). >> >> >> >> regards >> >> >> >> Keith >> >> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: ecrit-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On >> >>> Behalf Of Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:45 AM >> >>> To: ECRIT >> >>> Subject: [Ecrit] RFC 5031bis - Service URNs >> >>> >> >>> At the IETF#73 ECRIT meeting we spoke about producing a RFC >> >5031bis. >> >>> >> >>> The problem is that the current document demands a >> Standards Track >> >>> document for allocating a new top-level top-level service labels. >> >>> >> >>> This turned out to make our own work more difficult. >> >>> >> >>> During the meeting I suggested the following: >> >>> - Work on RFC5031bis to change allocation policy >> >>> - Submit draft-forte-ecrit-service-classification and >> >>> draft-sun-ecrit-shelter-service as informational/experimental >> >>> documents to the RFC Editor after Expert Review from the ECRIT >> >>> working group. >> >>> >> >>> I recall that some folks had some comments about the allocation >> >>> policy they would like to see. Unfortunately, the meeting >> >minutes do >> >>> not capture the issue. I did listen to the audio recording (see >> >>> ftp://videolab.uoregon.edu/pub/videolab/media/ietf73/) >> and noticed >> >>> that Ted argued for "Specification Required" (instead of "Expert >> >>> Review"). > > >>> >> >>> When you look at RFC 5226 then you will find a >> description of what >> >>> the difference between "Specification Required" and >> "Expert Review" >> >>> is. Here is the description for "Specification Required": >> >>> >> >>> Specification Required - Values and their meanings must be >> >>> documented in a permanent and readily available public >> >>> specification, in sufficient detail so that >> >>> interoperability >> >>> between independent implementations is possible. >> >>> When used, >> >>> Specification Required also implies use of a >> Designated >> >>> Expert, who will review the public specification and >> >>> evaluate whether it is sufficiently clear to allow >> >>> interoperable implementations. The intention behind >> >>> "permanent and readily available" is that a >> document can >> >>> reasonably be expected to be findable and >> >retrievable long >> >>> after IANA assignment of the requested value. >> >Publication >> >>> of an RFC is an ideal means of achieving this >> >requirement, >> >>> but Specification Required is intended to >> also cover the >> >>> case of a document published outside of the RFC >> >path. For >> >>> RFC publication, the normal RFC review process >> >is expected >> >>> to provide the necessary review for interoperability, >> >>> though >> >>> the Designated Expert may be a particularly >> >well-qualified >> >>> person to perform such a review. >> >>> >> >>> Examples: Diffserv-aware TE Bandwidth >> Constraints Model >> >>> Identifiers [RFC4124], TLS ClientCertificateType >> >>> Identifiers >> >>> [RFC4346], ROHC Profile Identifiers [RFC4995]. >> >>> >> >>> Are you happy about this approach? >> >>> >> >>> Ciao >> >>> Hannes >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Ecrit mailing list >> >>> Ecrit@ietf.org >> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ecrit mailing list >> >> Ecrit@ietf.org >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit >> >> >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >Ecrit mailing list >Ecrit@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit _______________________________________________ Ecrit mailing list Ecrit@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit
- Re: [Ecrit] RFC 5031bis - Service URNs Richard Barnes
- Re: [Ecrit] RFC 5031bis - Service URNs DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [Ecrit] RFC 5031bis - Service URNs Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)
- Re: [Ecrit] RFC 5031bis - Service URNs Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)
- [Ecrit] RFC 5031bis - Service URNs Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)
- Re: [Ecrit] RFC 5031bis - Service URNs DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [Ecrit] RFC 5031bis - Service URNs Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)
- Re: [Ecrit] RFC 5031bis - Service URNs DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [Ecrit] RFC 5031bis - Service URNs Ted Hardie
- Re: [Ecrit] RFC 5031bis - Service URNs DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [Ecrit] RFC 5031bis - Service URNs Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)