Re: [edu-team] OPS Area tutorial for IETF 104

[Mirjam Kuehne <[e-mail]>]

Hi Ignas, Hi Warren,

We discussed this at our last Edu Team call and we would like to go
ahead with this tutorial at IETF 104. Something like:
Highlights from the OPS area (ANIMA, DNS and more)

Did you already find speakers? And do you have a short description for
the website?

Thank you,
Mirjam

On 07/02/2019 17:14, Mirjam Kuehne wrote:
> 
> Hi Ignas,
> 
> Thanks for getting back to me. I really like your proposal to give a
> more targeted tutorial rather than a general OPS overview.
> 
> If I don't hear any objections from the other Edu Team members, we'll
> add this to the agenda (for the second slot at 13:45 - but we'll confirm
> with the speakers once we know who they are).
> 
> In the meantime could you please send me a short abstract we can use for
> the announcement.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Mirjam
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/02/2019 15:32, Ignas Bagdonas wrote:
>> Mirjam,
>>
>> Having discussed this topic with Warren, we both are leaning to a
>> slightly different plan - doing just an OPS area tutorial would not be a
>> popular attendee choice. Instead a detailed overview of a couple of WGs
>> from OPS area would likely to attract more interest - both from the
>> regular attendees and newcomers. The more complex part is that there is
>> not much of exciting work happening in OPS - the likely candidates would
>> be ANIMA and what they are doing for the IoT space, and possibly
>> something from the DNS topics. From the perspective of speakers, it does
>> not seem that ADs should do that - instead experts from the WGs should
>> be presenting. There is no definitive list of suspects, er, candidates
>> yet, discussing this with chairs and major contributors.
>>
>> In summary, a plain OPS area tutorial does not seem to be practical. A
>> focused session on (say) IoT candidate protocols would seem to be more
>> practical.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:57 AM Mirjam Kuehne <[e-mail]
>> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Ignas,
>>
>>     Thanks for your thoughts on this. I agree that such a tutorial needs to
>>     be a bit more exciting and needs to spark the interest of the audience
>>     to get involved. So, I'd be happy if you want to revamp the content. The
>>     main audience for these area overview sessions are newcomers, but also
>>     other IETF participants who are active in other areas and want to find
>>     out what's going on in OPS and how they can possibly contribute.
>>
>>     If you could let me know by the end of the week that would be great.
>>
>>     Thank you,
>>     Mirjam
>>
>>
>>     On 05/02/2019 14:52, Ignas Bagdonas wrote:
>>     > Hi Mirjam,
>>     >
>>     > Overall this seems to be good to have. The content likely will need to
>>     > be refreshed
>>     > more noticeably, as OPS area historically has been on a lower
>>     excitement
>>     > level side, and in general operational and manageability topics
>>     seem to
>>     > be somewhat less popular with the IETF community. Doing it as an
>>     > overview of what WG works on what topic likely will be seen as not too
>>     > exciting. There is a proposed BoF on modern router operation, and
>>     likely
>>     > the content more aligned to (modern day) operations and management
>>     > practices would be more relevant. However, the IETF audience is
>>     not the
>>     > main target audience for such topics directly - therefore it needs
>>     to be
>>     > adjusted to be both interesting and staying relevant to the IETF
>>     community.
>>     >
>>     > When would you need to have an answer for the agenda? I will think
>>     about
>>     > the possible content areas - but unlikely sooner than the end of
>>     the week.
>>     >
>>     > Warren, what are your thoughts?
>>     >
>>     > Ignas
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:50 PM Mirjam Kuehne <[e-mail]
>>     <mailto:[e-mail]>
>>     > <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>> wrote:
>>     >
>>     >     Hi Warren, Hi Ignas,
>>     >
>>     >     As part of the Sunday tutorials we usually also provide an
>>     overview of
>>     >     one of the IETF areas. The goal is to generally explain the
>>     scope of
>>     >     that area but also point out current work items, interactions
>>     with other
>>     >     areas or WGs and possibly any contentious issues. OPS was
>>     presented last
>>     >     at IETF 97 in Seoul:
>>     >
>>     >   
>>      https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/97/materials/slides-97-edu-sessd-introduction-to-operations-and-management-ops-area-00
>>     >
>>     >     We thought it might be time for a refresher. You don't have to
>>     present
>>     >     yourself, you can also suggest one (or ideally two speakers)
>>     who are
>>     >     available and willing to present this on Sunday afternoon (it's a
>>     >     one-hour slot). What do you think?
>>     >
>>     >     Kind regards,
>>     >     Mirjam
>>     >     (for the IETF EDU Team)
>>     >
>>
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