Re: [edu-team] OPS Area tutorial for IETF 104

[Mirjam Kuehne <[e-mail]>]

Hi Ignas,

Thanks for getting back to me. I really like your proposal to give a
more targeted tutorial rather than a general OPS overview.

If I don't hear any objections from the other Edu Team members, we'll
add this to the agenda (for the second slot at 13:45 - but we'll confirm
with the speakers once we know who they are).

In the meantime could you please send me a short abstract we can use for
the announcement.

Kind regards,
Mirjam



On 07/02/2019 15:32, Ignas Bagdonas wrote:
> Mirjam,
> 
> Having discussed this topic with Warren, we both are leaning to a
> slightly different plan - doing just an OPS area tutorial would not be a
> popular attendee choice. Instead a detailed overview of a couple of WGs
> from OPS area would likely to attract more interest - both from the
> regular attendees and newcomers. The more complex part is that there is
> not much of exciting work happening in OPS - the likely candidates would
> be ANIMA and what they are doing for the IoT space, and possibly
> something from the DNS topics. From the perspective of speakers, it does
> not seem that ADs should do that - instead experts from the WGs should
> be presenting. There is no definitive list of suspects, er, candidates
> yet, discussing this with chairs and major contributors.
> 
> In summary, a plain OPS area tutorial does not seem to be practical. A
> focused session on (say) IoT candidate protocols would seem to be more
> practical.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:57 AM Mirjam Kuehne <[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Ignas,
> 
>     Thanks for your thoughts on this. I agree that such a tutorial needs to
>     be a bit more exciting and needs to spark the interest of the audience
>     to get involved. So, I'd be happy if you want to revamp the content. The
>     main audience for these area overview sessions are newcomers, but also
>     other IETF participants who are active in other areas and want to find
>     out what's going on in OPS and how they can possibly contribute.
> 
>     If you could let me know by the end of the week that would be great.
> 
>     Thank you,
>     Mirjam
> 
> 
>     On 05/02/2019 14:52, Ignas Bagdonas wrote:
>     > Hi Mirjam,
>     >
>     > Overall this seems to be good to have. The content likely will need to
>     > be refreshed
>     > more noticeably, as OPS area historically has been on a lower
>     excitement
>     > level side, and in general operational and manageability topics
>     seem to
>     > be somewhat less popular with the IETF community. Doing it as an
>     > overview of what WG works on what topic likely will be seen as not too
>     > exciting. There is a proposed BoF on modern router operation, and
>     likely
>     > the content more aligned to (modern day) operations and management
>     > practices would be more relevant. However, the IETF audience is
>     not the
>     > main target audience for such topics directly - therefore it needs
>     to be
>     > adjusted to be both interesting and staying relevant to the IETF
>     community.
>     >
>     > When would you need to have an answer for the agenda? I will think
>     about
>     > the possible content areas - but unlikely sooner than the end of
>     the week.
>     >
>     > Warren, what are your thoughts?
>     >
>     > Ignas
>     >
>     >
>     > On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:50 PM Mirjam Kuehne <[e-mail]
>     <mailto:[e-mail]>
>     > <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     Hi Warren, Hi Ignas,
>     >
>     >     As part of the Sunday tutorials we usually also provide an
>     overview of
>     >     one of the IETF areas. The goal is to generally explain the
>     scope of
>     >     that area but also point out current work items, interactions
>     with other
>     >     areas or WGs and possibly any contentious issues. OPS was
>     presented last
>     >     at IETF 97 in Seoul:
>     >
>     >   
>      https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/97/materials/slides-97-edu-sessd-introduction-to-operations-and-management-ops-area-00
>     >
>     >     We thought it might be time for a refresher. You don't have to
>     present
>     >     yourself, you can also suggest one (or ideally two speakers)
>     who are
>     >     available and willing to present this on Sunday afternoon (it's a
>     >     one-hour slot). What do you think?
>     >
>     >     Kind regards,
>     >     Mirjam
>     >     (for the IETF EDU Team)
>     >
>