[Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gender-representation-05
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Hi SM, I'll focus on just this point: >> And to get those people to volunteer we have two separate problems: >> getting people to participate in the IETF in the first place and >> getting their employers to support them in leadership. We need to >> work on all of that too. > > The last sentence could be read as: we need employers to support > people who participate; we need employers to support some of those > people if there are interested in being selected for a position. > > The disadvantage of the employer support approach is that the > volunteer will not stick around when the employer support withers or > if the participation is not aligned with the employer's objectives. I agree, and my comment was addressing a practical reality. I don't think the IETF is in a position to pay people to hold these positions. There are of course both positives and negatives to employing decision makers. Eliot
- [Eligibility-discuss] draft-knodel-nomcom-gender-… Tara Tarakiyee
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… Michael Richardson
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… John Levine
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… Tara Tarakiyee
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… Ted Lemon
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… Salz, Rich
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… Stephen Farrell
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… John R Levine
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… John R Levine
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… Stephen Farrell
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… John R Levine
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… Stephen Farrell
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… Joel Halpern
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… Eliot Lear
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… S Moonesamy
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… Eliot Lear
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… John R Levine
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… Eliot Lear
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… Salz, Rich
- [Eligibility-discuss] Area Director eligibility (… S Moonesamy
- [Eligibility-discuss] Practical reality (was: Re:… S Moonesamy
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… John R Levine
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… Salz, Rich
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Eligibility-discuss] Re: draft-knodel-nomcom-gen… Salz, Rich