Re: [Fecframe] IESG Eval followup: config-signaling anf rtp-raptor
David Harrington <ietfdbh@comcast.net> Wed, 22 February 2012 12:40 UTC
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Thank you. I'll follow-up. -- David Harrington Director, Transport Area Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) Ietfdbh@comcast.net +1-603-828-1401 On 2/21/12 5:45 PM, "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com> wrote: >Hi David, > >I have updated the document in accordance with the comments received so >far, and submitted the -07 version for us to make progress. > >1. Adrian Farrel: Comment (2011-11-03)::= Updated the abstract and >Introduction section. >2. Gonzalo Camarillo: Comment (2011-11-03)::= Removed the normative >language. >3. Jari Arkko: Comment (2011-11-03) ::= Corrected the sections >referencing and updated the Introduction >4. Ron Bonica: Discuss (2011-11-02) ::= Removed the reference to that >expired draft. >5. Russ Housley: Comment (2011-11-03)::= All accepted. Updated the >relevant text. >6. Stephen Farrell: Comment (2011-11-01::= Cryptography meant >encryption. Removed it as well as GDOI, and mentioned PGP. >7. Wesley Eddy: Discuss (2011-10-26) ::= Changed to Informational. >8. Pete Resnick: Discuss (2011-11-02) ::= Changed to Informational. >9. Robert Sparks: Discuss (2011-11-02)::=1. Added a para in section 5.1 >to clarify this. 2. Not a complete list. >10. Robert Sparks: Comment (2011-11-02)::= Changed to Informational. >11. Sean Turner: Discuss (2011-11-02)::= Yes. Added PGP preference. >12. Sean Turner: Comment (2011-11-02)::= Yes, meant to say encryption. >Removed cryptography and references to GDOI altogether. > >Cheers, >Rajiv > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Harrington [mailto:ietfdbh@comcast.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:38 AM >> To: Rajiv Asati (rajiva); Greg Shepherd; fecframe@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Fecframe] IESG Eval followup: config-signaling anf >rtp-raptor >> >> Hi Rajiv, >> >> Can you get a new revision published as Informational please? >> >> Here is an issue you really need to address in the document: >> "To make this actionable I suggest you work out very clearly what the >> purpose of >> the document is and capture that both in the Abstract and the >> Introduction. It >> would also help if you clearly defined what *you* mean by a signaling >> protocol >> because people at different layers of the stack have very different >> understandings of the term." >> >> There are a number of other discusses that need to be addressed. >> >> If you get a revision to me by the end of February, I can run it >through >> the system again and hopefully get it into the RFC Editor before I >step >> down as AD in March. You really don't want to start over with a new >AD. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> David Harrington >> Director, Transport Area >> Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) >> Ietfdbh@comcast.net >> +1-603-828-1401 >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/20/12 12:46 PM, "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com> wrote: >> >> >Informational is fine. >> > >> >Cheers, >> >Rajiv >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Greg Shepherd [mailto:gjshep@gmail.com] >> >> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 10:30 AM >> >> To: Rajiv Asati (rajiva); fecframe@ietf.org >> >> Subject: Fwd: IESG Eval followup: config-signaling anf rtp-raptor >> >> >> >> *, >> >> >> >> There are a few things holding up the config-sig draft, but the one >we >> >> need to help with is: >> >> >> >> MUST this doc progress as experimental, or is there WG consensus to >> >> move it to informational? >> >> >> >> Please reply promptly to the list. >> >> >> >> Thanks!, >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> >> From: David Harrington <ietfdbh@comcast.net> >> >> Date: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 7:23 AM >> >> Subject: IESG Eval followup: config-signaling anf rtp-raptor >> >> To: gjshep@gmail.com >> >> Cc: draft-ietf-fecframe-config-signaling@tools.ietf.org, >> >> draft-ietf-fecframe-rtp-raptor@tools.ietf.org >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> The IESG reviewed the config signaling and rtp-raptor drafts. >> >> We have work to do. >> >> >> >> config-signaling: >> >> 1) Can we publish this as Informational? >> >> Is that a problem for any cross-SDO work? >> >> If this is published as Informational, then compliance is no >> >> longer appropriate - you don't comply to an Informational document. >so >> >> the RFC2119 keywords should disappear. >> >> >> >> 2) Ask the WG which version of GDOI is supposed to be used? See >Sean's >> >> Comments. >> >> >> >> 3) The document needs a good rewrite, especialy the Abstract and >> >> Introduction. There are Discusses and Comments from many that the >> >> document doesn't describe its purpose. This must be clairified. >> >> >> >> 4) There are Discusses and Comments from multiple ADs that must be >> >> addressed: >> >> Ron: just remove the reference; I don't know if you want to carry >any >> >> information from that expired mboned doc into this doc. >> >> Adrian: clarify what is considered a signaling protocol in this doc >> >> Gonzalo: no RFC2119 keywords in the Introduction (so normative text >> >> must be moved) >> >> Jari: internal references (are you using xml2rfc? they have ways to >> >> keep that in sync for you) >> >> clarify how you expect this to be used re: SDP, XML, etc. >> >> Russ: Gen-ART review >> >> Sean: "MAY encrypt" >> >> MUST is for implementers - see RFC 3365 - unless this is >> >> Informational. >> >> GDOI - explain how to use this. Clarify which version. >> >> Stephen: "MAY encrypt" => "SHOULD encrypt using PGP or CMS"? >> >> GDOI - how to use to manage keys? >> >> Pete: If Informational, then you can ignore his comment; If >> >> Experimental, then describe the experiment. >> >> Robert: new versus copied requirements; point to the existing rules >> >> rather than copying them here. >> >> The #2 comment is critical - are implementers supposed to >> >> choose from one of these protocols >> >> (i.e., these are the only ones allowed in a compliant >> >> Experimental implementation?) >> >> >> >> rpt-raptor: >> >> 1) A registration request must be sent to ietf-types@iana.org to >> >> register the types, per section 5.1 of RFC 4288. The registration >> >> template needs to be filled in >> >> >> >> 2) There are discusses from Sean, Pete, Robert and Stephen that >must >> >> be addressed, and Comments from Russ (the Gen-ART review) that >should >> >> be addressed in a Revised ID. I think the usage of RFC2119 keywords >is >> >> acceptable, but might be improved. Please read and **consider** >Pete's >> >> comments on RFC2119 usage, and then do what you think is right. >> >> >> >> Please get these Revised IDs done asap so I can send them off to >the >> >> RFC Editor. >> >> >> >> David Harrington >> >> Director, IETF Transport Area >> >> ietfdbh@comcast.net (preferred for ietf) >> >> dbharrington@huaweisymantec.com >> >> +1 603 828 1401 (cell) >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Fecframe mailing list >> >Fecframe@ietf.org >> >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe >> >
- [Fecframe] Fwd: IESG Eval followup: config-signal… Greg Shepherd
- Re: [Fecframe] Fwd: IESG Eval followup: config-si… Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [Fecframe] IESG Eval followup: config-signali… Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
- Re: [Fecframe] IESG Eval followup: config-signali… David Harrington
- Re: [Fecframe] IESG Eval followup: config-signali… Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
- Re: [Fecframe] IESG Eval followup: config-signali… David Harrington