[gaia] GAIA - Online Meeting pre IETF 100
Jane Coffin <coffin@isoc.org> Mon, 02 October 2017 02:08 UTC
Return-Path: <coffin@isoc.org>
X-Original-To: gaia@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: gaia@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F15134C19 for <gaia@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 19:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.018
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.018 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=isoc.org
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pPgbUyx0mS45 for <gaia@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 19:08:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from NAM02-BL2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2nam02on0041.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.38.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80011134C23 for <gaia@irtf.org>; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 19:08:13 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=isoc.org; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=M3lF5013BqzDpE7KBR8i+xPzqv7Bv6AacGWoVmkg9uM=; b=aTnwIAv7/XHRtljHTCJkbgNZ6k+3VSlCfwk+ilvZgBa921CngmEdXuUTxmtWbi0EJlqxKjSHLNS4t5+838SRbMy6mVhLpPyS0MsSGRnjOLfRPT1Zxt7p2RbyuxMie2NnSsbGwl29XPIjnMIJHduGy8kQ7YzmbIKBf+h0pD2RJRA=
Received: from SN1PR0601MB1934.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.169.38.8) by SN1PR0601MB1934.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.169.38.8) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P256) id 15.20.77.7; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 02:08:11 +0000
Received: from SN1PR0601MB1934.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([10.169.38.8]) by SN1PR0601MB1934.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([10.169.38.8]) with mapi id 15.20.0077.016; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 02:08:10 +0000
From: Jane Coffin <coffin@isoc.org>
To: gaia <gaia@irtf.org>
Thread-Topic: GAIA - Online Meeting pre IETF 100
Thread-Index: AQHTOyNLB3B3CjDKckuSYSN5PiRwZQ==
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 02:08:10 +0000
Message-ID: <90EFB8D7-C9C2-4FA2-8EAA-8940CE1A8F77@isoc.org>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach: yes
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.26.0.170902
authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=coffin@isoc.org;
x-originating-ip: [2601:14d:8200:3fc6:f412:77a9:fe9:d816]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; SN1PR0601MB1934; 6:kSQVqXoL29zfM3/fU5ooBTMvxJ4C3qPysFbnYOp4dOuLqa+y+qEGLAlW6TgWKt7iqEfQWREgqM+fgV+qHn6KTyTiV0Yt9mlumFIE7lqQPcAbg+tSm+NnsZUhoK72V9J3GMQQ9bZ8c0Tns5mYsuUxj/X3llyOVCwRhkmWZETAmmaurFKYFkPDL85hHc7YLrt40iaDtYeTXAJNoEpLyzylCnemYcrq/GoJbmL3fAtK6UkxtqhEDGuQD4RQIgcQV8JzTtnL/aKDppwfqeflXUfryJZ2OXHO8f0wVbon6uF/c0X6X+YLOc7BjvyTE8rZJXfYwvyiDPyCf78z+Zw55Z7CQg==; 5:EFM85uPS87yEx/abDuuwEdLzMa4BG+F1FbA8aOAO4X6ViLnUHwzX3a6fTJgzWNGSMfrkB6E7j/Ap+lPwKH724WmOLMWDdQabmka65uRuqLgxUCe5HDiHhiXR30Qd7c6dWN4b5fWawuoElBytNPIYLzW/Jm0t/9seFPNniaexIUc=; 24:0WKK3FsHN8pRiNnhcFNrKTwRX/zk1wOSpP4OOEOGuFyP3yS8e7BLxJ4Olk8ugCwnn499ZFD4hBLogE05yH1Wvppz2TBg7KFCzPj7RocW0hY=; 7:aqOnl1bspvPjX57IpQnZa+JR7kknGcPbWiPr6hTZadRvwKB+hq4NN40wwIJWAr/FBDnLTWpSu4ZgxejpH0UHOCUUugKSYOlYvSfi/rdL+4/Ie34yXOhPdQ7g3r7761FdYLd3/5C3jwfHmeT5/obciizKJK/JUCYzf+H5lGMITdt8OH3gI7q2QZaNuFF4ncxVc6yNOhX/yFtCrRdw7tdepAw6IjtZ61HJpt+s+I6mBqY=
x-ms-exchange-antispam-srfa-diagnostics: SSOS;
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: b6e8dfa2-9bf6-4c8a-97b1-08d5093a6e73
x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(22001)(2017030254152)(2017052603199)(49563074)(201703131423075)(201703031133081)(201702281549075); SRVR:SN1PR0601MB1934;
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: SN1PR0601MB1934:
x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:(209352067349851)(100405760836317)(21748063052155)(17755550239193);
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <SN1PR0601MB193482DE9ECB1510FA0A3280B37D0@SN1PR0601MB1934.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(100000700101)(100105000095)(100000701101)(100105300095)(100000702101)(100105100095)(102415395)(6040450)(2401047)(5005006)(8121501046)(3002001)(10201501046)(93006095)(93001095)(100000703101)(100105400095)(6041248)(20161123562025)(20161123558100)(20161123555025)(20161123560025)(201703131423075)(201703061421075)(20161123564025)(6072148)(201708071742011)(100000704101)(100105200095)(100000705101)(100105500095); SRVR:SN1PR0601MB1934; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(100000800101)(100110000095)(100000801101)(100110300095)(100000802101)(100110100095)(100000803101)(100110400095)(100000804101)(100110200095)(100000805101)(100110500095); SRVR:SN1PR0601MB1934;
x-forefront-prvs: 0448A97BF2
x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(346002)(376002)(43544003)(199003)(377454003)(53754006)(66654002)(54164003)(189002)(59124004)(24454002)(6512007)(6116002)(6506006)(53386004)(5660300001)(6916009)(102836003)(236005)(99936001)(25786009)(2900100001)(50986999)(97736004)(54896002)(14454004)(81166006)(8936002)(99286003)(7736002)(101416001)(2906002)(106356001)(508600001)(33656002)(8676002)(81156014)(82746002)(6486002)(77096006)(105586002)(551544002)(966005)(58126008)(189998001)(347745004)(6306002)(54356999)(68736007)(53546010)(86362001)(83716003)(83506001)(53936002)(3280700002)(5890100001)(6436002)(36756003)(15974865002)(606006)(3660700001)(4743002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:SN1PR0601MB1934; H:SN1PR0601MB1934.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en;
received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: isoc.org does not designate permitted sender hosts)
spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99
spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM
Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg="sha256"; boundary="B_3589740779_641265703"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: isoc.org
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 02 Oct 2017 02:08:10.6740 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 89f84dfb-7285-4810-bc4d-8b9b5794554f
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN1PR0601MB1934
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gaia/OOankDSbtaDXDA31IBqxVbOpxYU>
Subject: [gaia] GAIA - Online Meeting pre IETF 100
X-BeenThere: gaia@irtf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: Global Access to the Internet for All <gaia.irtf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.irtf.org/mailman/options/gaia>, <mailto:gaia-request@irtf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/gaia/>
List-Post: <mailto:gaia@irtf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:gaia-request@irtf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia>, <mailto:gaia-request@irtf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 02:08:17 -0000
Hi All – We will be moving ahead with scheduling an online meeting pre-IETF 100. Many thanks to all that have indicated their support for a BCP/BCOP type-doc re community networks/alternative networks. We can discuss how to proceed when we meet. Please do keep this list focused on connectivity issues, and include the “why” you are posting something to the list with any links. As noted in an earlier post, we have put in for a GAIA Face-to-face @IETF 100, and we are waiting for notification re date/time. Best, Jane Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org Skype: janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 From: gaia <gaia-bounces@irtf.org> on behalf of Arjuna Sathiaseelan <arjuna.sathiaseelan@gmail.com> Date: Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 9:14 AM To: "jordi.palet@consulintel.es" <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> Cc: gaia <gaia@irtf.org> Subject: Re: [gaia] Internet censorship and blockade in Catalonia (Spain) in the recent weeks and today Yes of course. Thanks for understanding Jordi. Very much appreciated. Regards On 1 Oct 2017 14:12, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> wrote: Fully agree, but I can’t let false information to be spread in an IETF list. I’m not going to debate about it here. Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: gaia <gaia-bounces@irtf.org> en nombre de Arjuna Sathiaseelan <arjuna.sathiaseelan@gmail.com> Responder a: <arjuna.sathiaseelan@gmail.com> Fecha: domingo, 1 de octubre de 2017, 15:10 Para: <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> CC: gaia <gaia@irtf.org> Asunto: Re: [gaia] Internet censorship and blockade in Catalonia (Spain) in the recent weeks and today Great thanks. Better to have any further political debates done offlist imho. Thanks. Regards On 1 Oct 2017 13:35, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> wrote: I’m sorry, but this is not true. Ignoring part of the info, and spreading only partial histories, don’t make them true, actually is a way to CENSOR. I’m Catalonian and my view of the true is different. I’ve also seen some of the Court Orders, so I know what I’m speaking about. You’re also mistranslating *military police* from *guardia civil*, which is a totally different concept. Guardia Civil is the police that supports citizens in the small towns, take care of traffic in roads, and also many investigations related to cybercrime, among others. An explanation is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Guard_(Spain) Also, http://www.guardiacivil.es/en/institucional/Conocenos/idcorporativa/naturalezami/index.html Our Constitution doesn’t allow to split the country, neither a referendum about that obviously. You can find consensus with all the parties, as they have been talking about for years, to amend the Constitution, but not to disobey the law. Otherwise, all the citizens will have the same right to ignore laws. So, isn’t the Spanish Government, but the Constitutional Court that has dictated that this process is illegal and can’t take place and took measures, such as blocking ONLY web sites duplicating the illegal information about the process. The same as if terrorist or thief’s, decide to create web sites to do apology of illegal acts, they will be banned, as well as every new copy. I’m all for freedom of speech, but never going against the law in a democratic country. I’ve several cases myself against the Spanish Government, and one of them already for 15 years. Should I disobey the law and jump over? NO, despite how much I believe I’m right (as many other people affected by this case), I need to wait, even if this takes other 15 years. If we allow, IN ANY *DEMOCRATIC* COUNTRY in the world, to jump over laws, we don’t have democracy anymore. I want also to split my home and the land where it is constructed from the country. Is that right? So, in consequence, anyone doing illegal acts, such as preparing the illegal referendum, will need to be prosecuted, pay the fines, etc., OTHERWHISE, the rest of the citizens will have the SAME rights, to bypass even traffic fines. I’ve described the situation in a couple of articles: http://www.circleid.com/posts/20170926_catalonian_matter_law_order_democracy_freedom_of_speech_censorship/ https://jordipalet.blogspot.co.uk/2017/09/isoc-against-its-own-principles-acting.html Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: gaia <gaia-bounces@irtf.org> en nombre de Leandro Navarro <leandro@ac.upc.edu> Responder a: <leandro@ac.upc.edu> Fecha: domingo, 1 de octubre de 2017, 13:50 Para: "gaia@irtf.org" <gaia@irtf.org> Asunto: [gaia] Internet censorship and blockade in Catalonia (Spain) in the recent weeks and today Dear all, You may have heard that today the 1-O referendum in Catalonia is ongoing. 73% of electoral offices were open this morning despite the blockade from prosecutors, judges and the charges from police forces. There are very long queues to vote. Meanwhile the "guardia civil", a military police, together with the riot police, have entered in large groups to some of the electoral offices (especially those where high profile politicians were expected) to seize the ballot boxes and papers. As a result of the police charges to peaceful people, tenths of people have suffered injuries (you can find in the media sad images in the election offices). As a result of a long list of measures and countermeasures to avoid the referendum (many orders from public prosecutors, only recently from a judge, budget blockade to public payments of many kind), the Catalan government has declared this morning the "universal census" so people can move and vote in alternative offices if his own is blocked (as the validation of voters is done over the Internet). Civil society have found ways to spread the message and enable voting that were not possible many years ago. Voting is slow and painful but is progressing. There are many network attacks, the police has disconnected Internet access and wifi APs to schools to block the election offices, and many sites to collect and coordinate the process. The Internet is fragmented in Catalonia. Hundreds of web sites from public but also civil-society organizations have been seized or blocked. A few days ago, the tech responsible of the .cat TLD was literally taken from him home while showering and detained for 3 days with no formal accusation. As a result, the .cat TLD and many .cat sites have been blocked. Some people that replicated web sites where detained and forced (by a judge + police) to give their passwords for, not only the sites, but also their personal email and personal accounts in social media. Citizens and electoral offices are using new imaginative and decentralized means to deliver votes and manage the census (using VPNs abroad, Tor, IPFS, etc) to certify the process. This repression and human rights violations against a peaceful movement, to block the political expression of a large group of citizens against political problems, cannot be justified as being declared "illegal" respect to a given rule of law (the Spanish constitution defined 42 years ago, never reformed). Let's see what political solutions we can find now, after years of political fights, and a weekend of repressive police actions against so many citizens willing to express their political opinions. Probably it will not be easier than before. In my opinion, the human right for expression goes before the defense of a given rule of law. Political negotiation and reforms are the way, and not censorship, police charges and repression. Certainly the Internet makes a difference in this process, for those inside and outside. Among many other sad examples around the world, let's learn and apply our lessons to build a more resilient and open Internet for everyone. Kind regards, Leandro. -- Leandro Navarro http://people.ac.upc.edu/leandro http://dsg.ac.upc.edu _______________________________________________ gaia mailing list gaia@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.consulintel.es The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. _______________________________________________ gaia mailing list gaia@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia _______________________________________________ gaia mailing list gaia@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.consulintel.es The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. _______________________________________________ gaia mailing list gaia@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia
- [gaia] GAIA - Online Meeting pre IETF 100 Jane Coffin