Re: [gaia] Internet censorship and blockade in Catalonia (Spain) in the recent weeks and today
Arjuna Sathiaseelan <arjuna.sathiaseelan@gmail.com> Sun, 01 October 2017 18:26 UTC
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From: Arjuna Sathiaseelan <arjuna.sathiaseelan@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 19:26:53 +0100
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Subject: Re: [gaia] Internet censorship and blockade in Catalonia (Spain) in the recent weeks and today
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(cc-ing gaia).. On 1 October 2017 at 18:05, Rohan Mahy <rohan.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > To further what Arjuna said, an announcement about Internet blockades and/or > Internet censorship should be posted here regardless if it is "legal" or > "illegal". The discussion of the politics should be elsewhere. > Thanks, > -rohan > > On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 6:09 AM, Arjuna Sathiaseelan > <arjuna.sathiaseelan@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Great thanks. >> >> Better to have any further political debates done offlist imho. >> >> Thanks. >> Regards >> >> On 1 Oct 2017 13:35, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> >> wrote: >>> >>> I’m sorry, but this is not true. Ignoring part of the info, and spreading >>> only partial histories, don’t make them true, actually is a way to CENSOR. >>> >>> I’m Catalonian and my view of the true is different. I’ve also seen some >>> of the Court Orders, so I know what I’m speaking about. >>> >>> You’re also mistranslating *military police* from *guardia civil*, which >>> is a totally different concept. Guardia Civil is the police that supports >>> citizens in the small towns, take care of traffic in roads, and also many >>> investigations related to cybercrime, among others. An explanation is here: >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Guard_(Spain) >>> >>> Also, >>> http://www.guardiacivil.es/en/institucional/Conocenos/idcorporativa/naturalezami/index.html >>> >>> Our Constitution doesn’t allow to split the country, neither a referendum >>> about that obviously. You can find consensus with all the parties, as they >>> have been talking about for years, to amend the Constitution, but not to >>> disobey the law. Otherwise, all the citizens will have the same right to >>> ignore laws. >>> >>> So, isn’t the Spanish Government, but the Constitutional Court that has >>> dictated that this process is illegal and can’t take place and took >>> measures, such as blocking ONLY web sites duplicating the illegal >>> information about the process. The same as if terrorist or thief’s, decide >>> to create web sites to do apology of illegal acts, they will be banned, as >>> well as every new copy. >>> >>> I’m all for freedom of speech, but never going against the law in a >>> democratic country. >>> >>> I’ve several cases myself against the Spanish Government, and one of them >>> already for 15 years. Should I disobey the law and jump over? NO, despite >>> how much I believe I’m right (as many other people affected by this case), I >>> need to wait, even if this takes other 15 years. >>> >>> If we allow, IN ANY *DEMOCRATIC* COUNTRY in the world, to jump over laws, >>> we don’t have democracy anymore. I want also to split my home and the land >>> where it is constructed from the country. Is that right? >>> >>> So, in consequence, anyone doing illegal acts, such as preparing the >>> illegal referendum, will need to be prosecuted, pay the fines, etc., >>> OTHERWHISE, the rest of the citizens will have the SAME rights, to bypass >>> even traffic fines. >>> >>> I’ve described the situation in a couple of articles: >>> >>> >>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20170926_catalonian_matter_law_order_democracy_freedom_of_speech_censorship/ >>> >>> >>> https://jordipalet.blogspot.co.uk/2017/09/isoc-against-its-own-principles-acting.html >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Jordi >>> >>> >>> -----Mensaje original----- >>> De: gaia <gaia-bounces@irtf.org> en nombre de Leandro Navarro >>> <leandro@ac.upc.edu> >>> Responder a: <leandro@ac.upc.edu> >>> Fecha: domingo, 1 de octubre de 2017, 13:50 >>> Para: "gaia@irtf.org" <gaia@irtf.org> >>> Asunto: [gaia] Internet censorship and blockade in Catalonia (Spain) in >>> the recent weeks and today >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> You may have heard that today the 1-O referendum in Catalonia is >>> ongoing. 73% of electoral offices were open this morning despite the >>> blockade from prosecutors, judges and the charges from police forces. >>> There are very long queues to vote. >>> >>> Meanwhile the "guardia civil", a military police, together with the >>> riot >>> police, have entered in large groups to some of the electoral >>> offices >>> (especially those where high profile politicians were expected) to >>> seize >>> the ballot boxes and papers. As a result of the police charges to >>> peaceful people, tenths of people have suffered injuries (you can >>> find >>> in the media sad images in the election offices). >>> >>> As a result of a long list of measures and countermeasures to avoid >>> the >>> referendum (many orders from public prosecutors, only recently from a >>> judge, budget blockade to public payments of many kind), the Catalan >>> government has declared this morning the "universal census" so people >>> can move and vote in alternative offices if his own is blocked (as >>> the >>> validation of voters is done over the Internet). Civil society have >>> found ways to spread the message and enable voting that were not >>> possible many years ago. >>> >>> Voting is slow and painful but is progressing. There are many network >>> attacks, the police has disconnected Internet access and wifi APs to >>> schools to block the election offices, and many sites to collect and >>> coordinate the process. The Internet is fragmented in Catalonia. Hundreds of >>> web sites from public but >>> also civil-society organizations have been seized or blocked. A few >>> days >>> ago, the tech responsible of the .cat TLD was literally taken from >>> him >>> home while showering and detained for 3 days with no formal >>> accusation. >>> As a result, the .cat TLD and many .cat sites have been blocked. Some >>> people that >>> replicated web sites where detained and forced (by a judge + police) >>> to >>> give their passwords for, not only the sites, but also their personal >>> email and personal accounts in social media. Citizens and electoral >>> offices are using new imaginative and decentralized means to deliver >>> votes and manage the census (using VPNs abroad, Tor, IPFS, etc) to >>> certify the process. >>> >>> This repression and human rights violations against a peaceful >>> movement, >>> to block the political expression of a large group of >>> citizens against political problems, cannot be justified as being >>> declared "illegal" respect to a given rule of law (the Spanish >>> constitution defined 42 years ago, never reformed). Let's see what >>> political solutions we can find now, after years of >>> political fights, and a weekend of repressive police actions against >>> so >>> many citizens willing to express their political opinions. Probably >>> it >>> will not be easier than before. >>> >>> In my opinion, the human right for expression goes before the defense >>> of >>> a given rule of law. Political negotiation and reforms are the way, >>> and not >>> censorship, police charges and repression. >>> >>> Certainly the Internet makes a difference in this process, for those >>> inside and outside. Among many other sad examples around the world, >>> let's learn and apply our lessons to build a more resilient and open >>> Internet for >>> everyone. >>> >>> Kind regards, Leandro. >>> -- >>> Leandro Navarro >>> http://people.ac.upc.edu/leandro http://dsg.ac.upc.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gaia mailing list >>> gaia@irtf.org >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ********************************************** >>> IPv4 is over >>> Are you ready for the new Internet ? >>> http://www.consulintel.es >>> The IPv6 Company >>> >>> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or >>> confidential. 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- Re: [gaia] Internet censorship and blockade in Ca… Arjuna Sathiaseelan
- Re: [gaia] Internet censorship and blockade in Ca… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [gaia] Internet censorship and blockade in Ca… Arjuna Sathiaseelan
- Re: [gaia] Internet censorship and blockade in Ca… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- [gaia] Internet censorship and blockade in Catalo… Leandro Navarro
- Re: [gaia] Internet censorship and blockade in Ca… Arjuna Sathiaseelan