Re: [gaia] 6Ghz wifi
Maureen Hernandez <hernandezgmaureenp@gmail.com> Wed, 25 September 2019 11:42 UTC
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 13:42:02 +0200
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Subject: Re: [gaia] 6Ghz wifi
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Hi, just passing by to recap this discussion briefly and Highlight that this item remains on the agenda https://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-r/oth/14/02/R14020000010001PDFE.pdf page 58. Now that we are a month apart from WRC would be useful to keep a close look on this. Cheers El mié., 3 oct. 2018 a las 15:32, Steve Song (<stevesong@nsrc.org>) escribió: > Thanks Jane! > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 13:58, Jane Coffin <coffin@isoc.org> wrote: > >> Good people of GAIA. >> >> >> >> Holy Smokes. The minute the spectrum, Radio Regs (the RRs), and/or World >> Radio Conference (WRC) agendae are triggered do things get interesting fast >> 😉 >> >> >> >> I reached out to a colleague who is far more in the weeds from the WRC >> side… as Niels’ query was interesting from many sides for me… >> >> Here is the response I received and note the accompanying doc…Take this >> as you will, but note that the WRC Agenda is the guiding agenda for the WRC >> which amends a treaty – the Radio Regulations (RRs mentioned above). >> >> >> >> “When you say "6GHz WiFi" it would be useful to be specific about what >> frequency range [is] being considered. WiFi is an application in the >> mobile service, so it may not be utilized in bands that do not have a >> Mobile Service allocation. Additionally, for those bands with a mobile >> service allocation in this range, the use of RLANs is guided by (WRC) >> Resolution 229 (see attached), which was adopted by the WRC-03 and revised >> by the WRC-12. As some companies want to expand the use of WiFi in this >> range, WRC-19 has an item on its agenda (AI 1.16), which deals with >> wireless access systems (RLANS) between 5150 - 5925 MHz, which is as >> follows: >> >> >> >> 1.16 to consider issues related to wireless access systems, including >> radio local area networks (WAS/RLAN), in the frequency bands between 5 150 >> MHz and 5 925 MHz, and take the appropriate regulatory actions, including >> additional spectrum allocations to the mobile service, in accordance with >> Resolution 239 [COM6/22] (WRC 15); >> >> >> >> The bands allocated to the mobile service between 5150 - 5925 MHz, as >> well as bands above that range, are also allocated to a number of other >> services on a co-primary basis. You should be aware that there is strong >> evidence (i.e. from spectrum monitoring) that shows that the current use of >> WiFi in this band is causing serious interference into the other services. >> So, the future expanded use is probably going to be a hotly debated issue >> at the WRC-19.” >> > > I love this wording: "strong evidence (i.e. from spectrum monitoring) > that shows that the current use of WiFi in this band is causing serious > interference into the other services" > > I would be tempted to re-phrase this to more accurately say that there is > "strong evidence that show that the current use of WiFi in this band is > causing serious connectivity and also causing serious 'interference' with > the comfortable oligopoly enjoyed by incumbent operators" > > Clearly it should be stopped. Seriously. > :-P > > Cheers... Steve > > P.S. tongue only partly in cheek > > >> >> >> See attached WRC Res. 229. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Jane >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org >> >> Skype: janercoffin >> >> Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 >> >> >> >> *From: *gaia <gaia-bounces@irtf.org> on behalf of Steve Song < >> stevesong@nsrc.org> >> *Date: *Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 9:52 AM >> *To: *"gaia@irtf.org" <gaia@irtf.org> >> *Subject: *Re: [gaia] 6Ghz wifi >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> Largely driven by the US and actively supported by chipset manufacturers >> like Broadcom, Intel, Hewlett-Packard and others as well as Facebook. >> There is work going on in Europe as well but a year or two behind where >> things are in the US. I am attaching the details of a current study >> underway. Worth noting that while the US Is looking from 5.9GHz up to >> 7GHz, the European study is only 5..9GHz to 6.4GHz. >> >> >> >> I don't think this is on the agenda for WRC19. My guess is that >> countries like the US will drive forward this this, manufacturers will jump >> on board and other countries will follow suit with the ITU/WRC ratifying >> things post facto some time in the mid 2020's >> >> >> >> This is a standard that is likely to be backed by any organisation that >> want to delivery high definition streaming content. >> >> >> >> Cheers... Steve >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 10:10, Jane Coffin <coffin@isoc.org> wrote: >> >> Hi Niels - >> >> Each country regulates at the national level within the parameters they >> set, bounded by the radio regulations in some part, but driven by national >> implementation and market, reg/pol, and other conditions. >> >> We have seen some countries pushing back on the concept of unlicensed, >> license-free anything. >> >> So, I do not think this is a ubiquitous issue driven by ITU-R for a >> number of reasons. Likely a result of congestion in other bands. >> But, I can ask some colleagues if this was something that the last WRC >> agenda set? >> Or, do others know? >> >> Best, >> Jane >> >> >> >> Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org >> >> Skype: janercoffin >> >> Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 >> >> On 10/3/18, 3:20 AM, "gaia on behalf of Niels ten Oever" < >> gaia-bounces@irtf.org on behalf of lists@digitaldissidents.org> wrote: >> >> Is this a unilateral plan, or is this something that is also in the >> works in the ITU-R ? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Niels >> >> On 10/03/2018 07:01 AM, Arjuna Sathiaseelan wrote: >> > /FCC will ‘propose new rules’ allowing Wi-Fi devices to operate in >> the 6 >> > GHz band/ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> https://wifinowevents.com/news-and-blog/a-new-era-in-wi-fi-fcc-fast-tracks-wi-fi-in-6-ghz-band/amp/ >> > < >> https://wifinowevents.com/news-and-blog/a-new-era-in-wi-fi-fcc-fast-tracks-wi-fi-in-6-ghz-band/amp/ >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > gaia mailing list >> > gaia@irtf.org >> > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia >> > >> >> -- >> Niels ten Oever >> Researcher and PhD Candidate >> Datactive Research Group >> University of Amsterdam >> >> PGP fingerprint 2458 0B70 5C4A FD8A 9488 >> 643A 0ED8 3F3A 468A C8B3 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gaia mailing list >> gaia@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gaia mailing list >> gaia@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> +1 902 529 0046 >> >> stevesong@nsrc.org >> >> http://nsrc..org <http://nsrc.org> >> >> >> > > > -- > +1 902 529 0046 > stevesong@nsrc.org > http://nsrc..org <http://nsrc.org> > > _______________________________________________ > gaia mailing list > gaia@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia > -- Eng. 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- [gaia] 6Ghz wifi Arjuna Sathiaseelan
- Re: [gaia] 6Ghz wifi Niels ten Oever
- Re: [gaia] 6Ghz wifi Arjuna Sathiaseelan
- Re: [gaia] 6Ghz wifi Jane Coffin
- Re: [gaia] 6Ghz wifi Steve Song
- Re: [gaia] 6Ghz wifi Jane Coffin
- Re: [gaia] 6Ghz wifi Arjuna Sathiaseelan
- Re: [gaia] 6Ghz wifi Steve Song
- Re: [gaia] 6Ghz wifi Maureen Hernandez
- Re: [gaia] 6Ghz wifi Jonathan Brewer
- Re: [gaia] 6Ghz wifi Jane Coffin