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Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-ietf-lamps-e2e-mail-guidance-14

Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> Thu, 22 February 2024 22:36 UTC

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To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net>, draft-ietf-lamps-e2e-mail-guidance.all@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-ietf-lamps-e2e-mail-guidance-14
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Daniel,

On 2/22/24 4:28 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> On Thu 2024-02-22 15:41:35 -0500, Paul Kyzivat wrote:
>> But I do encourage you to say *something* about web server based email
>> clients, since they are such a big part of the ecosystem.  (What
>> percentage of all emails have gmail on at least one end?) Perhaps
>> discuss the limitations on secure email with such clients.
> 
> I wouldn't want to delay the release of the draft on this, and i'd be
> concerned about it blowing up into a large critique of the web
> permissions model, which is really outside the scope of what we can
> possibly review.
> 
> But i hear you that at least some reference to this as a concern might
> be warranted.  I've noted this over at
> https://gitlab.com/dkg/e2e-mail-guidance/-/issues/12 so there is a place
> to keep track of the issue.
> 
> If you (or anyone reading this) wants to propose some short, well-scoped
> text (either on this thread or in the issue), i'd be happy to review.

In the end this is your call. And I don't feel I have sufficient 
understanding of the subject to craft such text. But, if I am asked to 
do a telechat review of this document I will raise the issue so that the 
IESG think about it. Then it will be their call.

	Thanks,
	Paul

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