Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-atlas-icmp-unnumbered-08
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The -09 version of this draft is a satisfactory response to the concerns raised in the Gen-ART review of the -08 version. I had also suggested that a definition of a "numbered interface" be added, but it's reasonable to assume that an implementer of this draft understands that concept. Many thanks to Carlos for making the changes. Thanks, --David > -----Original Message----- > From: Black, David > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 5:53 PM > To: alia.atlas@bt.com; rbonica@juniper.net; cpignata@cisco.com; jrrivers@cisco.com; naiming@cisco.com; > 'gen-art@ietf.org' > Cc: Jari Arkko; Black, David > Subject: Gen-ART review of draft-atlas-icmp-unnumbered-08 > > I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) > reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see > http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html). > > Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call > comments you may receive. > > Document: draft-atlas-icmp-unnumbered-08 > Reviewer: David L. Black > Review Date: December 27, 2009 > IETF LC End Date: January 1, 2010 > > Summary: > This draft is on the right track, but has open issues, described > in the review. > > Comments: > The draft defines an extension to ICMP messages that allows additional > network interface information to be provided with some ICMP messages. > The information may be an ifIndex, an IP address, an Interface Name > and/or an MTU. > > The one open issue in this review involves the use of ifIndex to > identify an interface. The motivating use cases in section 3 > involve traceroute, ACL-caused-blockage, and the need to determine the > MTU - those use cases are "public" in the sense that they clearly > encompass use of the ICMP messages by other than the network operator > whose device generated those messages. > > In this context, IP address, Interface Name and MTU are all clearly > useful, but I am concerned about ifIndex. An ifIndex is effectively > private to the SNMP management infrastructure of the network operator. > Determining what interface an ifIndex designates generally involves > SNMP access that a network operator may be reluctant to grant to > outsiders due to the level of detail that such access may expose. > > I suspect that the ifIndex could be *very* useful to an ifIndex- > enhanced traceroute issued from a network operator's management station > as alluded to in paragraphs 3-5 of Section 6 (Security Considerations). > My open issue is that I should have to go all the way down to the latter > part of the Security Considerations section in order to find the > motivations for and intended usage of one of the major features of this > extension. > > I suggest adding a Section 3.3 to discuss use of ifIndex with ICMP and > network management tools (e.g., enhanced traceroute plus an SNMP manager) > by a network operator to debug his/her own network. This new section > should also contain some sort of warning that ifIndex information may > not be available to other than the network operator's management > applications (with a pointer to the Security Considerations section). > > Nits: > - Section 2: "o that interface is numbered" Please add a definition > of "numbered" for an interface. > - Section 4.1: Explain what a C-Type is. A few words and a reference > to Section 8 of RFC 4884 should suffice. > - Section 5.4: This appears to be poorly stated: > A single instance of IP Address information MAY be included only in > the following circumstances: > > Included in what? I presume an Interface Information Object. Also, > MAY ... only is poor usage of RFC 2119 terminology. Here's an attempt > at better phrasing: > > When an Interface Information Object contains an IP Address, one of > the following two conditions MUST be true: > > idnits 2.11.15 did not find any nits. > > Thanks, > --David > ---------------------------------------------------- > David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer > EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 > +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 > black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 > ----------------------------------------------------
- [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-atlas-icmp-unnu… Black_David
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- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-atlas-icmp-… Carlos Pignataro
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-atlas-icmp-… Carlos Pignataro
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-atlas-icmp-… Carlos Pignataro
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-atlas-icmp-… Carlos Pignataro
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-atlas-icmp-… Black_David
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-atlas-icmp-… Carlos Pignataro
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- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-atlas-icmp-… Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
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