Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02
Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Thu, 13 August 2020 18:32 UTC
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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02
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On 8/13/20 11:25 AM, Pete Resnick wrote: >> I thought that this was an IETF WG and WG decisions are taken >> on the mailing list, not in meetings. > > They are. However, it is perfectly acceptable to delay some > discussions until face-to-face or interim meetings and bring the > results of such meetings back to the list for review and further > discussion. I emphatically disagree, for multiple reasons. Deferring discussion to an interim meeting is just a way of sweeping the discussion under a rug, and making it more difficult for people to participate. And considering that we're witnessing repeated abusive behavior by the IETF leadership, this is not a topic that should be deferred. Keith
- [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Niels ten Oever
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-03 Niels ten Oever
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 John Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Bob Hinden
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Pete Resnick
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Salz, Rich
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Dan Harkins
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Rodney W. Grimes
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Rodney W. Grimes
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Pete Resnick
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Nick Doty
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Fernando Gont
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Dan Harkins
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Pete Resnick
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Dan Harkins
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Christian Huitema
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Pete Resnick
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Keith Moore
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 S Moonesamy
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Pete Resnick
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Pete Resnick
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Keith Moore
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Pete Resnick
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Keith Moore
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Pete Resnick
- Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-terminology-02 Keith Moore