[Green] Re: Next steps for draft-many-lsr-power-group-02
Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li> Tue, 05 May 2026 00:11 UTC
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Subject: [Green] Re: Next steps for draft-many-lsr-power-group-02
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Hi Carlos, > One additional suggestion: it would be valuable for draft-many-lsr-power-group to include some consideration of how its mechanisms can be evaluated from an energy perspective. For example, guidance on measuring impact, comparing against a baseline, or reporting observed energy savings (and any managed decreases and/or unintended increases) in deployments. > > Even lightweight guidance here could help ensure that experimental results are actionable and can inform the broader work in green or elsewhere. I’m not understanding what you’re requesting. draft-many-lsr-power-group provides a basis for path computation that allows PCE implementations to consolidate traffic, thereby idling components that can be put into power-sleep. Without a specific analysis of a network, traffic demand matrix, and detailed hardware information, (all of which are operator confidential), I’m not sure what we can provide that is helpful. We’ve already presented simulation results to substantiate the underlying premise. I ask that we please proceed. Regards, Tony
- [Green] Next steps for draft-many-lsr-power-group… Christian Hopps
- [Green] Re: Next steps for draft-many-lsr-power-g… Tony Li
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Next steps for draft-many-lsr-p… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Re: Next steps for draft-many-l… Colby Barth
- [Green] Re: Next steps for draft-many-lsr-power-g… Carlos Pignataro
- [Green] Re: Next steps for draft-many-lsr-power-g… Tony Li
- [Green] Re: Next steps for draft-many-lsr-power-g… Robert Raszuk
- [Green] Re: Next steps for draft-many-lsr-power-g… Robert Raszuk
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Re: Re: Next steps for draft-ma… Joel Halpern
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Re: Re: Next steps for draft-ma… Robert Raszuk
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Re: Re: Next steps for draft-ma… Tony Li
- [Green] Re: Next steps for draft-many-lsr-power-g… Carlos Pignataro
- [Green] Re: Next steps for draft-many-lsr-power-g… Tony Li
- [Green] Re: Next steps for draft-many-lsr-power-g… Carlos Pignataro
- [Green] Re: Next steps for draft-many-lsr-power-g… Tony Li
- [Green] Re: Next steps for draft-many-lsr-power-g… Carlos Pignataro
- [Green] Re: Next steps for draft-many-lsr-power-g… Tony Li
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Re: Next steps for draft-many-l… Robert Raszuk
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Next steps for draft-many-lsr-p… Tony Li
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Next steps for draft-many-lsr-p… Robert Raszuk
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Next steps for draft-many-lsr-p… Tony Li
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Next steps for draft-many-lsr-p… Robert Raszuk
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Next steps for draft-many-lsr-p… Tony Li
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Next steps for draft-many-lsr-p… Robert Raszuk
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Next steps for draft-many-lsr-p… Robert Raszuk
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Next steps for draft-many-lsr-p… Colby Barth
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Re: Next steps for draft-many-l… Vishnu Pavan Beeram
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Re: Next steps for draft-many-l… Robert Raszuk
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Next steps for draft-many-lsr-p… Carlos Pignataro
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Next steps for draft-many-lsr-p… Tony Li
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Re: Next steps for draft-many-l… Joel Halpern
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Next steps for draft-many-lsr-p… Carlos Pignataro
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Re: Next steps for draft-many-l… Bonica, Ron
- [Green] Re: [Lsr] Re: Next steps for draft-many-l… Carlos Pignataro