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Re: [GROW] draft-ss-grow-rpki-as-cones-00

Christopher Morrow <christopher.morrow@gmail.com> Wed, 23 May 2018 20:58 UTC

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From: Christopher Morrow <christopher.morrow@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 16:58:31 -0400
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Subject: Re: [GROW] draft-ss-grow-rpki-as-cones-00
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On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 4:36 PM Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:

> Christopher Morrow wrote:
> > (who hopes to one day have better answers for this than: "err, ask the
> > customer / peer which irr they use?"
>
> congrats, you just stood on the trust model dog turd.
>
>
now I need new shoes :(


> Right now we have the lolz model (anyone can put anything in any
> non-authoritative IRR and it will be accepted) and the top-down model
> (only legitimate holders can insert data into authoritative IRRs -
> applicable to rpki, apnic irr, arin-whois and soon ripe-irr).
>
>
right... this makes discussions of route filtering "hard" because: "but the
data quality!!" :(


> If you want better answers than "ask the customer", you'll need to solve
> this problem.
>
>
excellent. RPKI?


> If you mention blockchain, I will slap you.
>
>
I was thinking we could chain netblocks with certs, call it:
"netBlockChain" ?


> Nick
>

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