Re: [GROW] Comment on draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling

Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> Tue, 14 March 2017 11:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: [GROW] Comment on draft-iops-grow-bgp-session-culling
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Tore Anderson wrote:
> My point here was that if the IXP is doing maintenance, it could shut
> all ports to all members simultaneously, and thus get the exact same
> effect as the «when someone yanks the physical connector» scenario
> described in the draft.

this doesn't work because 1. some ixp participants connect their routers
via intermediate switches and if all ports are yanked simultaneously,
they will blackhole traffic on their side and 2. any ixp with more than
one switch in their peering fabric needs to be able to performance
maintenance on part of their ixp without affecting the rest.

Regarding point 1, you could claim that this was the ixp participant's
problem, not the IXP's, and you might even be technically right, but the
erupting blamestorm would always fall back on the IXP for initiating the
problem.

Nick