Re: [homenet] [babel] about Babel security (questions for Juliusz Chroboczek)

["STARK, BARBARA H" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Denis,
You appear to have perceived events and statements different from how others' have perceived these.
I don't find this thread accusing Juliusz of bad behavior to be an appropriate way of addressing your perceptions.
As chair of homenet (your email was sent to homenet and babel), I would appreciate an opportunity to talk to you directly (by phone / VoIP) to try to better address your perceptions. I find trying to do this by email very challenging.
If others share Denis' perceptions, please let the chairs know.
Thx,
Barbara

> -----Original Message-----
> From: homenet <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of Denis Ovsienko
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 12:29 PM
> To: "Babel at IETF" <[e-mail]>; "homenet" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: [homenet] [babel] about Babel security (questions for Juliusz
> Chroboczek)
> 
> Thank you for a prompt response Juliusz.
> 
> Right now I will comment only on one specific point, more follow-ups later.
> 
>  ---- On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 10:53:03 +0100 Juliusz Chroboczek <[e-mail]> wrote
> ---- [...]  > > The specification of "Stenberg-style security" for Babel was
> never  > > published. It is June 2018 and I have never seen it, although I
> asked  > > to.
>  >
>  > It was presented at IETF 101 in March 2018 (at which you were present).
> 
> I confirm I attended IETF-101 in person and listened to Antonin's talk and
> slides about DTLS for Babel. I did not see a written specification. At the
> meeting I did bring up the need to see a written spec.
> 
> So in this case "presented" does not go as far as "published".
> 
>  > The draft lives here:
>  >
>  >   https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
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> Thank you for making this update, I am glad a written specification of Babel
> DTLS now exists (i.e. has been published). I have been asking since early
> 2016.
> 
>  > I am not an author.  Please ask the authors, not me, about why it hasn't  >
> been published yet.
> 
> As far as the commit history goes, the file was first added to the repository
> above on 25 June 2018 (four days ago), then it was updated three times on
> 27 June 2018 and two times on 29 June 2018 (today, last time about three
> hours ago). The file is a 325 lines long .xml file, which yields a .txt file, which is
> 8 pages long, 4 of which are boilerplates, the TOC, references and the likes.
> The other 4 pages are the actual specification. The document lists 3 authors.
> 
> I have studied the document and I find it difficult to discuss right now, to be
> honest.
> 
> --
>     Denis Ovsienko
> 
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