Re: [hrpc] I-D Action: draft-irtf-hrpc-political-03.txt

[Niels ten Oever <[e-mail]>]

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 04:05:24PM +0100, Stephen Farrell wrote:
> 
> Hiya,
> 
> FWIW, I don't think participation in the IETF is a useful
> question for hrpc, 

I agree.

> though it is a useful question to study.

I agree here too.

> As to a venue, I'd say first do the work required and only
> then bother to worry about venues - if the work is good,
> people will find a place/way to discuss it in the IETF.

I think quite a few of the mentioned things can be shown with BigBang, have a look at the notebooks:

https://github.com/datactive/bigbang/tree/master/examples

> 
> Meanwhile, more specifically...
> 
> On 12/07/2019 12:04, Niels ten Oever wrote:
> > I think the the issue of participation would benefit from its own
> > draft. Ideally it could show several trends:
> 
> Hmm - that "Ideally" is very odd. As I read it (which may
> not be how it was meant) it implies a desire to find such
> trends, which seems like the wrong place to start.
> 

I meant ideally trends would be found and backed up with rigorous analysis, a documented methods, and a dataset so that the expiriment is reproducible. 

> > 
> > - consolidation -  total number of participants/draft authors/RFC
> > authors/mailinglist contributors is affiliated to a low number of
> > organizations - academic exodus 
> 
> "Exodus" reinforces the impression above. 

These were all just hypothesis that one could seek to prove or disprove.

> From my POV I
> have not noticed changes in academic participation over the
> last decade or so, other than perhaps a very small uptick.
> Compared to 20+ years ago, yes, I think there are fewer
> academics at IETF meetings. But I don't have numbers and
> without those none of this can really be properly analysed.
> 
> So, the first step here is not, IMO, asking any powers that
> be, but doing the background work if someone has the time
> and interest. (I'd be interested in the results, but don't
> have the time nor really enough interest to do the work,
> sorry;-)
> 

Am happy to put in work, if other people are interested too. 

Cheers,

Niels

> Cheers,
> S.
> 
> > - decreasing number of
> > participants/draft authors/RFC authors/mailinglist contributors is
> > affiliated with an academic institution - geographical
> > representation - diversity

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Niels ten Oever
Researcher and PhD Candidate
DATACTIVE Research Group
University of Amsterdam

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