Re: [hrpc] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-guerra-feminism-00.txt

[Juliana Guerra <[e-mail]>]

Thanks Shivan for your comments. As you say it's a full 00 draft and all
what you metioned should be clarified. We'll have a few minutes to talk
about it tomorrow in HRPC session so I hope to explain better. For now,

On 27/03/19 7:09, Shivan wrote:
> Hi Juliana, Mallory,
> 
> Thanks for this. I took a quick look at it.
> 
> 1.2 The title is "Intersectional feminism and diversity", so it reads a bit
> funny for the leading rhetorical question "why feminism and not gender?" to
> only concern itself with gender. Similarly for the rest of the para;
> perhaps some examples of other marginalized categories might be useful?
> Also there's a lot of commas in this para :)

Agree. It seems to be necessary to give an explanation of some
terminology used. And the comas, thanks, writing english as if it were
spanish :P

> 
> 1.3 Maybe add a reference to Feminist Principles here? In general the
> Principles are mentioned quite a few times in the draft, so might be worth
> thinking about the best way to discuss the Principles in one place and how
> they relate to IETF work (or not).

Yes!
> 
> 1.4.2.  2.2. (?) mentions that the draft delves into how gender appears in
> IETF documents, but I don't see that analysis anywhere (unless I'm missing
> it?). Is that TBD?

Didn't mentioned but: It's a work in progress. Trying to adopt some
automated tools but for now making a kind of handcraft analysis.
> 
> The numbering on the whole in the draft got muddled up I think :) which
> made the rest of the document hard to follow.
> 
My mistake. But I attended the md and xml2rfcv3 tutorials. Will not
happen again, I hope.

> This is a "full" -00 draft, and it reads a bit rambly, which is fine. I
> think it will be slightly easier to review once the structure/numbering is
> sorted out!
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 7:11 PM Juliana Guerra <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone, last week we submitted a draft on feminism and protocols
>> which can be of interest in this group. This is a very preliminary
>> approach, trying to recognize the differentiated effects of protocols on
>> users who are part of traditionally marginalized groups. With this
>> document we would like to draw attention to the need to join efforts in
>> order to build safer, more accessible and inclusive digital environments.
>>
>> Your comments, questions and input will be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Juliana Guerra
>>
>>
>>
>> Name:           draft-guerra-feminism
>> Revision:       00
>> Title:          Feminism and protocols
>> Document date:  2019-03-11
>> Group:          Individual Submission
>> Pages:          15
>> URL:
>> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-guerra-feminism-00.txt
>> Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-guerra-feminism/
>> Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-guerra-feminism-00
>> Htmlized:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-guerra-feminism
>>
>>
>> Abstract:
>>    This document aims to describe how internet standrds and protocols
>>    and its implementations may impact diverse groups and communities.
>>    The research on how some protocol can be enabler for specific human
>>    rights while possibly restricting others has been documented in
>>    [RFC8280].  Similar to how RFC 8280 has taken a human rights lens
>>    through which to view engineering and design choices by internet
>>    standardisation, this document addreses the opportunities and
>>    vulnerabilities embedded within internet protocols for specific,
>>    traditionally maginalised groups.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
>> submission
>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>>
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