Re: [hrpc] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-tenoever-hrpc-political-05.txt

Niels ten Oever <mail@nielstenoever.net> Thu, 12 July 2018 18:42 UTC

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Thanks Bob,

All suggestions accepted and changed!

Best,

Niels

On 06/18/2018 05:50 PM, Bob Harold wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 8:14 AM Niels ten Oever <mail@nielstenoever.net
> <mailto:mail@nielstenoever.net>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi all,
> 
>     A new version of draft-political, with a thorough revision of the
>     structure and some edits.
> 
>     I made a clearer differentiation between the mapping of the different
>     positions on the political nature and outcome of technology and the IETF
>     standards process.
> 
>     There is also a new abstract and a new conclusion which answers the
>     research question.
> 
>     Looking forward to discuss! If there are comments, am happy to make a
>     new version before IETF102.
> 
>     Best,
> 
>     Niels
> 
> 
>     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>     Subject: New Version Notification for
>     draft-tenoever-hrpc-political-05.txt
>     Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 05:00:25 -0700
>     From: internet-drafts@ietf.org <mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>
>     To: Niels ten Oever <mail@nielstenoever.net
>     <mailto:mail@nielstenoever.net>>, Amelia Andersdotter
>     <amelia@article19.org <mailto:amelia@article19.org>>
> 
> 
>     A new version of I-D, draft-tenoever-hrpc-political-05.txt
>     has been successfully submitted by Niels ten Oever and posted to the
>     IETF repository.
> 
>     Name:           draft-tenoever-hrpc-political
>     Revision:       05
>     Title:          On the Politics of Standards
>     Document date:  2018-06-18
>     Group:          Individual Submission
>     Pages:          18
>     URL:
>     https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-tenoever-hrpc-political-05.txt
>     Status:
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tenoever-hrpc-political/
>     Htmlized:     
>      https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tenoever-hrpc-political-05
>     Htmlized:
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-tenoever-hrpc-political
>     Diff:
>     https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-tenoever-hrpc-political-05
> 
>     Abstract:
>        The IETF cannot ordain which standards or protocols are to be used on
>        network, but the standards developing process in the IETF has a
>        normative effect.  Among other things the standardisation work at the
>        IETF has implications on what is perceived as technologically
>        possible and useful where networking technologies are being deployed,
>        and its standards output reflect was is considered by the technical
>        community as feasible and good practice.  Because mediates many
>        aspects of modern life, and therefore contributes to the ordering of
>        societies and communities, the consideration of the politics and
>        (potential) impact of protocols should be part of the standardization
>        and development process.
> 
> 
> Minor nits:
> 
> Abstract
> 
> "Because mediates many"
> 
> Perhaps:
> "Because it mediates many"
> 
> 
> 4.  Technology and Politics: a literature review
> 
> "Without judging them on their internal of external consistency they"
> 
> "of" -> "or"
> 
> 
> 4.3.  All protocols are political sometimes
> 
> "protocols can possible be predicted, on could at least consider the"
> 
> "on" -> "one"
> 
> 
> 4.4.  The network has its own logic and values
> 
> "This means that the network already contains constrains on what can be
> deployed into it."
> 
> "constrains" -> "constraints"
> 
> 
> 7.  Conclusion
> 
> "undispited that standards and protocols are both product of a"
> 
> "undispited" -> "undisputed"
> 
> -- 
> Bob Harold
> 

-- 
Niels ten Oever
Researcher and PhD Candidate
Datactive Research Group
University of Amsterdam

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