IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: RFC 5987bis WG last call - naming the encoding

Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Thu, 17 November 2016 07:27 UTC

Return-Path: <ietf-http-wg-request+bounce-httpbisa-archive-bis2juki=lists.ie@listhub.w3.org>
X-Original-To: ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E711279EB for <ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:27:04 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -8.398
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=itaoyama.onmicrosoft.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ftCzvrM1VD1w for <ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:27:02 -0800 (PST)
Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2504129498 for <httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@lists.ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:27:02 -0800 (PST)
Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <ietf-http-wg-request@listhub.w3.org>) id 1c7H2b-0004fD-Ef for ietf-http-wg-dist@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 07:23:25 +0000
Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 07:23:25 +0000
Resent-Message-Id: <E1c7H2b-0004fD-Ef@frink.w3.org>
Received: from mimas.w3.org ([128.30.52.79]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>) id 1c7H2T-0004dq-R8 for ietf-http-wg@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 07:23:17 +0000
Received: from mail-os2jpn01on0091.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([104.47.92.91] helo=JPN01-OS2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by mimas.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>) id 1c7H2N-0001JS-Dj for ietf-http-wg@w3.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 07:23:12 +0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=itaoyama.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-it-aoyama-ac-jp; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=AjoSTtCivvpl6TO7sfezhJt+WDkpR68PpMzDLfI68ms=; b=R+TUOjWwgaKVhmP0aYKhFGH/82ICRDOQMdc9y1MimCuLV00WYs3UuIcWy54ClPl3JpVkoXHQEZJ2s5urkOV1L9WzGTuiFGMVjfHhdxev1wK0frNGFsSiD+fM/CJnl29ys30Bcojg/6u3NLic9qFB1obOyoFT2Q8LsMNfuJ1hPRY=
Authentication-Results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp;
Received: from [133.2.210.64] (133.2.210.64) by TY1PR0101MB0988.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com (10.167.157.151) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.721.10; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 07:22:35 +0000
To: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>, HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
References: <b65d5148-29f0-5e8b-9375-590ca8e52357@gmx.de>
From: "Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
Organization: Aoyama Gakuin University
Message-ID: <32f53d21-ed4d-b31b-af79-d35c5c2d62fd@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 16:22:33 +0900
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <b65d5148-29f0-5e8b-9375-590ca8e52357@gmx.de>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Originating-IP: [133.2.210.64]
X-ClientProxiedBy: TY1PR01CA0076.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com (10.167.153.164) To TY1PR0101MB0988.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com (10.167.157.151)
X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: 1; TY1PR0101MB0988; 2:VSBmLZroipRjeJOpZrQyoUyyn+3WusgGGhiPTb4odSCu8MqOv0XLFUQoT70Nidkq3QHhSpnfBOF8/bFZYQiHt56OBkJVlIqdScEA1mZ4PLaykraU49Oz1ZjCXiwAa8moDcHjxWWkYFhRLOYVnCK7LX+hERgWbTQ/shSTdfWsy6M=; 3:sfUBXtWZ7/BOWi8canp+TQVM4Mfb6ZDEpUMLD/ZqQU90toCmKufSchucrxuSmejcqx/xWVUUvbzxXxoEYYL5zP1NxVdpHXffpNDb6+mnXUoh87rQKGwQOKITqWj0t2R4oS2AyccrvTpu+ilY79peARgRlYjgrKMEsGMqiMyBMAg=; 25:zVApjpQL1iaFoTZEPToAscarVHCuIG8YywTaHZ/VWuTl3EyAO9GiYNr4zXWNVD9EUoaniLM+JjFuNK0sO+Y0vtP3HIJ7l7v8rYRkJqZCj4Sg3qc1mzKmSz3OZlyQj0lKRCxC1LXVYzppFCSsVrS4aD4OKEdN08hDQdck0EXLo/TIJ82sTj857qO8ljweelOVHydC0BdTkxqtxEkkrBBrGK4SSuIrNcQJ7eZgAWNArE9VM4+nNgOZvceHiOZMDNC+o4+wK1A03sD4Ozxh0NxCzBSr8ncrbt6YcxvKwlud40cUjrhH04CzwtoE6kCTM97L5COMfR5QDrMQyCB2qk6rrrNaiCQfZ5H0sMMZy4WgnArPnmh0GmNl71KdZSMsNf4y3U4UjSo6pRYZBYbNcB0MqjfHXkxsNaeB+4/IsRNTpqi6QO6RhI/Ma85l/NA0u20OIHQpjxbLFqCAyamdZz73dw==
X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: a1d4ae57-bacd-4e7d-c7c0-08d40eba8152
X-Microsoft-Antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(22001); SRVR:TY1PR0101MB0988;
X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: 1; TY1PR0101MB0988; 31:Rq4ifHNo6FAtLL5r62A4TE5m2uvYDTeUXEDBXpzNZ20Vmz/ifl5dgq3ULOk/m+WQjSY4l6mfIbHH5udomQu5Ww/wtX1D9zeuyc0RzbKXKgr6Ng3el8J+mN2s0VJnUgy1+IS46DleQASa6ksTaTlojiQQRXnt93qtdtZceeho1o2aI4ZD5+8+TVOIKn0l+UDBSlaw+SKKMw3pUitU5A0ew7i1u4acCHkxagPMt5ctBU/YTGUgfPUOKkK4cQcbuTPczvBEMfW2+5dtEjUwuh+ueW5SxA9XNqQkGOwbRSDbYgU=; 4:DYvvIG9xQH201/Bg7X8JzXqrG6gpn0Zm7GRoTve3pV0Kf7ZvfFuNj0HQ9ihT3kihaU23m0cT20gctLowRHuolHwj1I+0IbKCo0jZ++E2QXL5WEkhtLuPht8Nzlkg/AQLGtqk42sSgIOM8eAJbr1uwX2wXz2Sg1d+pZtbjwsg6vrWdOtbP6WEMyGHGaB0gciu91y8EvVaY5hCzjH7wV9EQQs6m1BAZAhYE038KB4vPyd1kPa8A0lQSnAP71pekQzI+7QWDVRTlriaIsPFPkW1ybWtM4rL09tABlZ4DMR4Ny6KxttuFft4kFP3l7ZluTRfW4FrWONf+XuNUsRPl5wiM2Ws8Ii5ZxpR1ftl/ilR4eo04k1FtqJoK0j4TxpBQ2FMWGc0hGiDl4JR8t3q5KSbfwHERnLXCCbwLPvqFlOc2wWqCmaxjX2Mzw84Nxba+XtU8tCUudMjdTAVNfPKb6CTHQ==
X-Microsoft-Antispam-PRVS: <TY1PR0101MB0988B6D106BA1903D51AFD76CAB10@TY1PR0101MB0988.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com>
X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-Test: UriScan:;
X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(6060326)(6040281)(2401047)(8121501046)(5005006)(10201501046)(3002001)(6041223)(6061324)(6043046); SRVR:TY1PR0101MB0988; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:TY1PR0101MB0988;
X-Forefront-PRVS: 01294F875B
X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(4630300001)(6009001)(6049001)(7916002)(199003)(189002)(24454002)(31696002)(8676002)(105586002)(76176999)(106356001)(23676002)(189998001)(31686004)(42186005)(54356999)(86362001)(50986999)(5001770100001)(74482002)(77096005)(101416001)(68736007)(7736002)(65826007)(66066001)(33646002)(5660300001)(7846002)(8666005)(65806001)(47776003)(107886002)(2906002)(81166006)(81156014)(97736004)(65956001)(83506001)(92566002)(3846002)(4001350100001)(229853002)(64126003)(2950100002)(50466002)(42882006)(6116002)(305945005)(230700001)(7059030)(3940600001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:TY1PR0101MB0988; H:[133.2.210.64]; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:0; MX:1; LANG:en;
Received-SPF: None (protection.outlook.com: it.aoyama.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts)
X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: 1;TY1PR0101MB0988;23: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
X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: 1; TY1PR0101MB0988; 6:fdnkGRuNUaw4rTZVoTdtq0jSmtRZuyeX3mRkJ52YyTx7MUsf31eJTZfPqPHTYTyAlJREO+Az9UG6S1hBDxdQF9IaVQxmszHRn8RCYsUutkZYapPidjPixCmnvIrJ9ybTaf1HZvOFrTWltYrBtWWbqKnVY64syvK6v8uKvJio201xykI6k1wAoakeHo4555+H26kzQipnj9WSM2/Co9/319zlnMvS5U6QEJCGllJkwVyI/NJ23eOifJ3OzgOnl1vuZ2XNYaDDfsnBu0BA5GFtfVPIAPGGi21q9X+zFGKrPrjaBh+lsOBtQivs2l2oCqhTh3vPwRTZkfIV3qmNsdsr3yfEco1M1Tn6tOyaInT5vZK+xDSJbRoC3eK4f2C3I80+; 5:yzEFvlcT6LjkblHlHmHSTdoaR7/3Skklhgi7UenKRVg5pAPb6Jt4Cl+03VcFt3urUDiV9uATWnPD8Jvz/dbZrMMlQZPopekZvHZh9m9SjiWDEJs7AVaMbAGJqQSOm4tAxHP8UqrZPKTGYIAOEdMoFw==; 24:LLiMV7kPyrbSwXFxU1sJPA5VSTbImz/B5tKUeeomA1fOxcQesPSSbPv1xHKD70iUzHajtenO61OJNTEitv5kCQpxLjl1CKH84/RrgaXhJqA=
SpamDiagnosticOutput: 1:99
SpamDiagnosticMetadata: NSPM
X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: 1; TY1PR0101MB0988; 7:5e5fyJn3gjp533WSwnlaRl7cOvGoD41tkp1faFyzpXhPv2mECZUFPBtVZByopoxjoSV/rdiHze57Ue8+mS86neTGaOGKMFZ5oK8TQIHb7K5ByMzf0Gt2qYMyKYfLAjuhUO4g+vaJCDXbA44tNLb0adtwSKZZGA4UsFRotX+tMFfi4VpHTbTrN3b2dtPtxF7VBTu81hVasWTVvhJ4XxtOmMndbz6W15HIuwi//KTyxU9gIxc2PpjqOfOfEQopNTCp4Wn5LfnFwBjBkRkZdTYSQ9IYtmtFtFWVb9cFOPRhYD9s865T9vIEQ7DCnKrVdq1n2WOf1EOwg8S1UHBSGRjQifPGXWGp2GjukJOrusx4IXk=
X-OriginatorOrg: it.aoyama.ac.jp
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2016 07:22:35.9601 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: TY1PR0101MB0988
Received-SPF: pass client-ip=104.47.92.91; envelope-from=duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp; helo=JPN01-OS2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com
X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.8
X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=1.101, BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_DB=-1, W3C_IRA=-1, W3C_IRR=-3, W3C_WL=-1
X-W3C-Scan-Sig: mimas.w3.org 1c7H2N-0001JS-Dj 9f0235e956e44159711c813b152c95d6
X-Original-To: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Subject: Re: RFC 5987bis WG last call - naming the encoding
Archived-At: <http://www.w3.org/mid/32f53d21-ed4d-b31b-af79-d35c5c2d62fd@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
Resent-From: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
X-Mailing-List: <ietf-http-wg@w3.org> archive/latest/32918
X-Loop: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Resent-Sender: ietf-http-wg-request@w3.org
Precedence: list
List-Id: <ietf-http-wg.w3.org>
List-Help: <http://www.w3.org/Mail/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-http-wg-request@w3.org?subject=unsubscribe>

On 2016/11/17 15:37, Julian Reschke wrote:

> Would people object to naming this thing?
>
> This would affect the abstract, the introduction, the title, and maybe
> some more places.
>
> *If* the group is ok with this,

Giving things a name is usually a good idea.

> would "IPE" (Internationalisation Parameter Encoding") be ok?

First, it sounds grammatically wrong ("Internationalized Parameter 
Encoding" would be better, at least grammatically).

Second, it somehow pretends to be the only way to encode parameters with 
non-ascii values. To avoid that, I'd prefer something like "Legacy 
Internationalized Parameter Encoding". Other ideas welcome.

I still think that using UTF-8 directly for this purpose is the right 
way to go, in line with what the rest of the IETF and the Web are doing, 
and the earlier we get there, the better.

Regards,   Martin.

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email