IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: JSON headers

"Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> Mon, 11 July 2016 11:02 UTC

Return-Path: <ietf-http-wg-request+bounce-httpbisa-archive-bis2juki=lists.ie@listhub.w3.org>
X-Original-To: ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7564C12D0AD for <ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 04:02:23 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -8.208
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XFJUE6aPtFkU for <ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 04:02:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54CA512D08E for <httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@lists.ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 04:02:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <ietf-http-wg-request@listhub.w3.org>) id 1bMYuG-0003PC-CU for ietf-http-wg-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:57:44 +0000
Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:57:44 +0000
Resent-Message-Id: <E1bMYuG-0003PC-CU@frink.w3.org>
Received: from maggie.w3.org ([128.30.52.39]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>) id 1bMYuD-0003O8-CI for ietf-http-wg@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:57:41 +0000
Received: from phk.freebsd.dk ([130.225.244.222]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>) id 1bMYu9-0005FQ-Ty for ietf-http-wg@w3.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:57:39 +0000
Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (unknown [192.168.55.3]) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7179273B4; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:57:15 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id u6BAvFOZ008740; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:57:15 GMT (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk)
To: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
cc: Yanick Rochon <yanick.rochon@gmail.com>, Phil Hunt <phil.hunt@oracle.com>, HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
In-reply-to: <e9a55629-656c-3b6a-3ac4-5fb7a109b2f0@gmx.de>
From: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>
References: <74180.1468000149@critter.freebsd.dk> <A17D3EFD-A935-4971-BCF6-DC9D38302CAD@oracle.com> <564a72e8-b9d3-1f9c-5982-48f2b07272e5@greenbytes.de> <3924.1468137899@critter.freebsd.dk> <683f5f58-6046-d9fb-cc75-d0ab3890ce23@greenbytes.de> <4105.1468141779@critter.freebsd.dk> <5cdf0fa8-063c-7eaa-a9e3-fb6db7417254@gmx.de> <4213.1468143913@critter.freebsd.dk> <94e4a5c2-3465-fef3-6221-d9f4fcccb5fa@gmx.de> <4324.1468145426@critter.freebsd.dk> <CAB0No9kf6gje3Tc+impphV5tUHjksCkL1PJ1YAgNjXO+tLq=XA@mail.gmail.com> <176d58df-debf-e660-edf7-7d686c926ef6@gmx.de> <5939.1468189218@critter.freebsd.dk> <40e62f5c-9fe4-35c0-d986-c01fb63f6b4e@gmx.de> <8251.1468229350@critter.freebsd.dk> <e9a55629-656c-3b6a-3ac4-5fb7a109b2f0@gmx.de>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-ID: <8738.1468234635.1@critter.freebsd.dk>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:57:15 +0000
Message-ID: <8739.1468234635@critter.freebsd.dk>
Received-SPF: none client-ip=130.225.244.222; envelope-from=phk@phk.freebsd.dk; helo=phk.freebsd.dk
X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.0
X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=-0.805, BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_WL=-1
X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1bMYu9-0005FQ-Ty 386c2411ac57e4acf9ad830194024d77
X-Original-To: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Subject: Re: JSON headers
Archived-At: <http://www.w3.org/mid/8739.1468234635@critter.freebsd.dk>
Resent-From: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
X-Mailing-List: <ietf-http-wg@w3.org> archive/latest/31893
X-Loop: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Resent-Sender: ietf-http-wg-request@w3.org
Precedence: list
List-Id: <ietf-http-wg.w3.org>
List-Help: <http://www.w3.org/Mail/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-http-wg-request@w3.org?subject=unsubscribe>

--------
In message <e9a55629-656c-3b6a-3ac4-5fb7a109b2f0@gmx.de>, Julian Reschke writes
:

>>> I would call it: "steer them to a format that is robust with regards how
>>> header fields can be repeated in messages"
>>
>> You still have not given any reasoning why repeating them is good idea
>> in the first place.
>
>It may not have been a good idea in the first place, but that's what we 
>currently have in HTTP, both 1.* and 2. I'm arguing that it's better to 
>live with it, and to make things as consistent as possible with respect 
>to this.

I couldn't possibly disagree more.

We should eliminate and sunset as many of the warts of HTTP as we
reasonably can, in order to make it an easier and more efficient
protocol to understand and implement.

In particular, I find it very unintuitive that we would ever constrain
the JSON formats utility, in order to retain a misfeature like
repeated headers.

-- 
Poul-Henning Kamp       | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
phk@FreeBSD.ORG         | TCP/IP since RFC 956
FreeBSD committer       | BSD since 4.3-tahoe    
Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email