Re: delta encoding and state management

Patrick McManus <mcmanus@ducksong.com> Wed, 23 January 2013 12:57 UTC

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On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 2:33 AM, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> wrote:

> As I said, I think that if the state itself is never larger than a request
> and substitutes for the request, it's not that big of a deal.
>


I'm more comfortable saying that the cost of the state should be
proportional to any latency-scaled win it can give... honestly, the trend
in ram prices is a lot friendlier to making progress than the trend in
bw-to-latency ratio.