Re: delta encoding and state management
"Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> Wed, 23 January 2013 13:20 UTC
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 -------- In message <CAOdDvNoOnscRCA54n07Suxe9UQieq32SkwvMxNnEdSnK94s_PA@mail.gmail.com> , Patrick McManus writes: >> As I said, I think that if the state itself is never larger than a request >> and substitutes for the request, it's not that big of a deal. > >honestly, the trend in ram prices [...] I think both of your perspectives are too near-sighted here. The protocol you should be working on should be the one which still works when most middle-class homes, not only in the western world, but also in India and China, have fibre to the home at speeds of 1Gbit/sec and above. In that world, a major piece of global news, be it a naked breast, an geophysical event or a shot politician, is going to make the traffic spikes we have seen until now look tame. HTTP is a very assymetric usage protocol, and therefore any amount of state that the server _has to_ retain for a client must justify it's existence, byte for byte, against the scenario where 10% of the world want to access the same URL. HTTP/1 allows you to deliver content without committing any per-client state, beyond the TCP socket, and that is not a "degraded mode", that is the default mode. If your HTTP/2 proposal cannot do that, you're working on the wrong protocol. Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
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- Re: delta encoding and state management James M Snell
- Re: delta encoding and state management Nico Williams
- Re: delta encoding and state management Nico Williams
- Re: delta encoding and state management Martin Thomson
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- Re: delta encoding and state management James M Snell
- Re: delta encoding and state management Roberto Peon
- Re: delta encoding and state management Nico Williams
- Re: delta encoding and state management Roberto Peon
- Re: delta encoding and state management Nico Williams
- Re: delta encoding and state management Mark Nottingham
- Re: delta encoding and state management Roberto Peon
- Re: delta encoding and state management Nico Williams
- Re: delta encoding and state management James M Snell
- Re: delta encoding and state management Willy Tarreau
- Re: delta encoding and state management Adrien W. de Croy
- Re: delta encoding and state management Roberto Peon
- Re: delta encoding and state management Nico Williams
- Re: delta encoding and state management James M Snell
- RE: delta encoding and state management RUELLAN Herve
- Re: delta encoding and state management Mark Nottingham
- Re: delta encoding and state management William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: delta encoding and state management Willy Tarreau
- Re: delta encoding and state management William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: delta encoding and state management Roberto Peon
- Re: delta encoding and state management Roberto Peon
- Re: delta encoding and state management Willy Tarreau
- Re: delta encoding and state management Roberto Peon
- Re: delta encoding and state management Willy Tarreau
- Re: delta encoding and state management William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: delta encoding and state management Willy Tarreau
- Re: delta encoding and state management William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: delta encoding and state management Willy Tarreau
- Re: delta encoding and state management Patrick McManus
- Re: delta encoding and state management Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: delta encoding and state management Patrick McManus
- Re: delta encoding and state management Benjamin Carlyle
- Re: delta encoding and state management Willy Tarreau
- Re: delta encoding and state management Patrick McManus
- Re: delta encoding and state management Patrick McManus
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