RE: Reminder: Call for Proposals - HTTP Authentication

<lionel.morand@orange.com> Tue, 01 May 2012 12:17 UTC

Return-Path: <ietf-http-wg-request@listhub.w3.org>
X-Original-To: ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB1221F88A0 for <ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 1 May 2012 05:17:22 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -8.649
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.649 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.600, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iH58GWRJ2j8z for <ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 1 May 2012 05:17:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA7021F88D7 for <httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@lists.ietf.org>; Tue, 1 May 2012 05:17:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <ietf-http-wg-request@listhub.w3.org>) id 1SPBxr-00054G-3L for ietf-http-wg-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 01 May 2012 12:13:55 +0000
Received: from maggie.w3.org ([128.30.52.39]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <lionel.morand@orange.com>) id 1SPBxh-00053P-5D for ietf-http-wg@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 01 May 2012 12:13:45 +0000
Received: from r-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([217.108.152.42]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <lionel.morand@orange.com>) id 1SPBxd-00019N-EV for ietf-http-wg@w3.org; Tue, 01 May 2012 12:13:43 +0000
Received: from r-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 510685D8A68; Tue, 1 May 2012 14:13:14 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.192.128.47]) by r-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433DA5D8A5D; Tue, 1 May 2012 14:13:14 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.192.128.40]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 1 May 2012 14:13:14 +0200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5
Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 14:13:12 +0200
Message-ID: <B11765B89737A7498AF63EA84EC9F577014C8B82@ftrdmel1>
In-Reply-To: <D159EF0F-AEEC-4629-91EC-C6B0A9BEA9EE@mnot.net>
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
Thread-Topic: Reminder: Call for Proposals - HTTP Authentication
Thread-Index: Ac0nNVvFa4VG4OnETGaalX4KyJT0hAAWxtdw
References: <14A09626-8397-4656-A042-FEFDDD017C9F@mnot.net> <B11765B89737A7498AF63EA84EC9F577014C8B6C@ftrdmel1> <D159EF0F-AEEC-4629-91EC-C6B0A9BEA9EE@mnot.net>
From: <lionel.morand@orange.com>
To: <mnot@mnot.net>
Cc: <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2012 12:13:14.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[C88B71B0:01CD2793]
Received-SPF: softfail client-ip=217.108.152.42; envelope-from=lionel.morand@orange.com; helo=r-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com
X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5
X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665
X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1SPBxd-00019N-EV 442c596f65c0da0487a76e910ed9e28b
X-Original-To: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Subject: RE: Reminder: Call for Proposals - HTTP Authentication
Archived-At: <http://www.w3.org/mid/B11765B89737A7498AF63EA84EC9F577014C8B82@ftrdmel1>
Resent-From: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
X-Mailing-List: <ietf-http-wg@w3.org> archive/latest/13501
X-Loop: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Resent-Sender: ietf-http-wg-request@w3.org
Precedence: list
List-Id: <ietf-http-wg.w3.org>
List-Help: <http://www.w3.org/Mail/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-http-wg-request@w3.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Resent-Message-Id: <E1SPBxr-00054G-3L@frink.w3.org>
Resent-Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 12:13:55 +0000

Hi Mark,

Of course, to be applicable, the first requirement for SIM-based authentication schemes is to have a SIM card (or software based implementation) and this implies that you have a mobile subscription. 
However, the authentication mechanism is not contrite to mobile networks and can be typically used over any HTTP-based access, e.g. wifi, adsl, cable, etc., the mobile network being used only for AAA purposes, as trusted 3rd-party.
Moreover, the terminal itself can be a mobile phone but also any IP-enabled device (e.g. PC, tablet, etc.) providing a API to the SIM card. Moreover, the browser is seen as off-the-shelf application and not mobile specific.

For the reasons, I was considering that it would be a general interest to reference a standard document instead of an Informational RFC. And this period of "clean-up" of the HTTP documentation seems to be suitable for that.

Regards,

Lionel

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Mark Nottingham [mailto:mnot@mnot.net] 
Envoyé : mardi 1 mai 2012 02:57
À : MORAND Lionel RD-CORE-ISS
Cc : ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Objet : Re: Reminder: Call for Proposals - HTTP Authentication

Hi Lionel,

Do you know of any use outside of a mobile context? If there's interest, we can certainly look at it, but if it's relegated to just that market (whether or technical or social reasons), I don't think this would necessarily be the right place to advance it to a standard (speaking just for me).

Cheers,


On 01/05/2012, at 3:02 AM, <lionel.morand@orange.com>; <lionel.morand@orange.com>; wrote:

> Any feedback?
> 
> Lionel
> 
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : MORAND Lionel RD-CORE-ISS 
> Envoyé : vendredi 27 avril 2012 11:54
> À : 'Mark Nottingham'; 'HTTP Working Group'
> Objet : RE: Reminder: Call for Proposals - HTTP Authentication
> 
> Hi,
> 
> RFC 3310 is informational but used in mobile networks. I think it is worth to consider the interest of defining this mechanism as "standard" HTTP authentication scheme. What should be the process?
> 
> In the same line, I have a draft on adaption of RFC3310 for 2G AKA (see. http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-morand-http-digest-2g-aka-02.txt). I would propose to add it to the list of new potential authentication schemes but only if RFC 3310 is part of the same list. Otherwise, it could be only informal.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Lionel 
> 
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Mark Nottingham [mailto:mnot@mnot.net] 
> Envoyé : vendredi 27 avril 2012 07:28
> À : HTTP Working Group
> Objet : Reminder: Call for Proposals - HTTP/2.0 and HTTP Authentication
> 
> Just a reminder that we're still accepting proposals for:
> 
> 1. HTTP/2.0
> 2. New HTTP authentication schemes
> 
> As per our charter <http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/charter/>;.
> 
> So far, we've received the following proposals applicable to HTTP/2.0:
>  <http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/wiki/Http2Proposals>
> 
> But none yet for authentication schemes:
>  <http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/wiki/HttpAuthProposals>
> 
> As communicated in Paris, the deadline for proposals is 15 June, 2012. It's fine if your proposal isn't complete, but we do need to have a  good sense of it by then, for discussion.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> --
> Mark Nottingham   http://www.mnot.net/
> 
> 
> 
> 

--
Mark Nottingham   http://www.mnot.net/