Re: FW: New Version Notification for draft-bishop-httpbis-grease-00.txt

Patrick McManus <mcmanus@ducksong.com> Thu, 24 May 2018 23:43 UTC

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On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 5:54 PM, Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be> wrote:

> There was a recent incident with a peer which closed the connection on an
> unknown setting, and that has given rise to some discussion about greasing
> HTTP/2's extension mechanisms (frame types and settings).  This draft is a
> quick proposal to do just that; if it gets traction on the HTTP/2 side,
> I'll put the same requirements into the HTTP/QUIC spec.
>

I strongly support you putting these requirements into hq independently of
whether this is something we take up for h2.

My only concern about h2 is the lack of a time machine. Doing this now
could result in breakage (hopefully I'm wrong - but its possible) rather
than be preventative (i.e. grease). Its probably not too late for h2, but
its definitely not too late for hq!

-P




>
> Comments welcome.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 2:51 PM
> To: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-bishop-httpbis-grease-00.txt
>
>
> A new version of I-D, draft-bishop-httpbis-grease-00.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Mike Bishop and posted to the IETF
> repository.
>
> Name:           draft-bishop-httpbis-grease
> Revision:       00
> Title:          GREASE for HTTP/2
> Document date:  2018-05-24
> Group:          Individual Submission
> Pages:          4
> URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bishop-httpbis-
> grease-00.txt
> Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bishop-httpbis-
> grease/
> Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bishop-httpbis-grease-00
> Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/
> doc/html/draft-bishop-httpbis-grease
>
>
> Abstract:
>    Reserves several values in the HTTP/2 registries to exercise the
>    requirement that clients and servers ignore unknown values.
>
>
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at
> tools.ietf.org.
>
> The IETF Secretariat
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>