Re: Is the response header "Upgrade: h2" allowed when TLS is used?

Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> Tue, 19 April 2016 16:51 UTC

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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 18:45:52 +0200
From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>
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Subject: Re: Is the response header "Upgrade: h2" allowed when TLS is used?
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On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 06:00:36PM +0200, Daniel Stenberg wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Cory Benfield wrote:
> 
> >>Stefan and Daniel point out that the server uses the Upgrade header to
> >>"advertise support" for h2.
> >
> >I don???t think that???s really a good way to read this section of RFC 7230.
> 
> I'd like to point out that my argument in that report was when the client in
> question originally took the Upgrade: response header as some sort of
> instruction of what to do next, while I'm saying Upgrade: in a response
> header is only an advertisement for support - not an instruction to do
> anything. I said that disregarding the actual protocol it mentioned.

Absolutely, "101 Switching Protocol" would be needed here for an action to
take place.

> I think Upgrade: should probably say h2c as a h2 in there begs the question
> what that really means...

Well, we knew that having two names for the same thing would cause trouble :-)

Willy